Brexit - FAIL!

This thread sums the whole Brexit saga up, a big number of the 48% that voted to remain refused to accept the result and worse than that actually sided with the European council rather than with their own county.

Parliament, judicial system, media, big business all sided with the EU.

I can’t think of any other country that would have acted the way we did.

Nothing like all for one and one for all.
 
no9 said:
This thread sums the whole Brexit saga up, a big number of the 48% that voted to remain refused to accept the result and worse than that actually sided with the European council rather than with their own county.

Parliament, judicial system, media, big business all sided with the EU.

I can’t think of any other country that would have acted the way we did.

Nothing like all for one and one for all.
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You won, get on with it. You promised all sorts on a bus. Make it happen.
 
Costero Poderoso said:
The UK had the capacity to negotiate on trade deals collectively in the same way every other EU country does, there are some limitations but the EU negotiates form a position of economic power as the third biggest economy in the world, and the UK was one of the KEY economies of the EU, and one of the principle drivers of policy. The fact is, the UK has only done a few crappy trade deals since brexit and seemingly largely more beneficial to those countries than the UK, hence its current economic state. the uk is negotiating almost every major trade deal currently form a position of weakness, but then as Davies, and Farage, and Johnson all said we can just walk away from trade deals if we dont like them just like the brexit deal.

The UK like every country in the EU had the ability to regulate and legislate appropriately for the country. Scotland and Northern Ireland both regulate and legislate in numerous areas differently from the England and Wales.

The UK could control immigration even from other EU countries but governments of all shades since the early 90's have chosen to operate a very open and liberal immigration policy. Why do what you call "sensible levels" lead to more harmony? what is a sensible level?

The UK could have controlled immigration and there was no limits on the UK government setting higher wages for the population, rather than officially compressing wages as it has done. how do you explain that the current administration is desparately trying to limit wage rises for most workers and aslo, how do you explain high profile brexit supporting business leaders and a number of brexit supporting Tory MP's promoting "liberation of motion" which of course only goes one way to foreign workers, and is of course a means to keep wages down by bringing in cheap workers who will not recieve the protections that UK workers currently have, which of course the current administration is trying to limit.

The link you sent has been routinely torn apart by fact checkers.
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You asked for just one thing we can now do, you got loads.

Your argument then seems to be, well basically the EU 'could' do that too, even though it hasn't. 🙄

You know full well there are certain things where a one size fits all approach isn't as good.

A sensible level isn't a complete open door, I remember a Sikh gentleman in a brexit debate making the point, his generation had time to integrate properly, whereas people coming in in such numbers and living separately didn't bother as much.

Cba answering all the points you raised.

It's not all been torn apart at all.

Here's a little one for everyone. I didn't know about this but has made things easier.

"We have allowed consumers to make more of their purchases contact free, by raising the contactless limit to £100, which could not have been done in the EU."

A nice little quality of life benefit there that's benefitted loads, worth leaving for that alone 😏👍
 
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no9 said:
This thread sums the whole Brexit saga up, a big number of the 48% that voted to remain refused to accept the result and worse than that actually sided with the European council rather than with their own county.

Parliament, judicial system, media, big business all sided with the EU.

I can’t think of any other country that would have acted the way we did.

Nothing like all for one and one for all.
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Yet some die hard remainers even deny that was the case now, it's laughable.
 
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Wizaard said:
Farage being one apparently.
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Doesn't seem to be going anywhere, after being proven right and many people on here were dead wrong, infact some on the left were clearly worried about him, as they felt the need to release a biased hit piece out of nowhere.

"Quick, he's getting support from all sides, better release some clips of things he may or may not have said as a kid and people he stood next to to try and make him guilty by association."
 
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no9 said:
This thread sums the whole Brexit saga up, a big number of the 48% that voted to remain refused to accept the result and worse than that actually sided with the European council rather than with their own county.

Parliament, judicial system, media, big business all sided with the EU.

I can’t think of any other country that would have acted the way we did.

Nothing like all for one and one for all.
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That's a classic line "I can think of any other country that would have acted the way we did"
That's 100% correct we've become a worldwide laughing stock much to the bewilderment of other nations.
 
Wizaard said:
I'm not sure treating people like battery chickens in the hope they leave voluntarily is actually a praying matter. Not very Christian.
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So it was ok for the people who used to live in them the construction workers/off shore people but it’s not ok now for these immigrants who are here illegally to live in them?

So good luck with that one.

At the end of the day there is always an alternative if they don’t like the accommodation.
 
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Shandypants said:
That's a classic line "I can think of any other country that would have acted the way we did"
That's 100% correct we've become a worldwide laughing stock much to the bewilderment of other nations.
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Laughing stock because the elite (and quite a lot of peoples on this site) sided with the European council, embarrassing
 
JJpool said:
We can control it, we have all the available powers to do so 👍

Last I checked there's more than Blackpool in the UK, also people are moving abroad 👍
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Well we don’t according to a lot of people, you need to make your mind up whether we have control of immigration or we don’t.

I know, I’ve lived all over the UK and I’m currently moving abroad. It doesn’t mean we haven’t made things more restrictive for our own citizens too.

I’d love for someone on here to come out and say how great Brexit has been for them, how they were already feeling the benefits, rather than soundbites about sovereignty. It would make me feel better about my shit situation to know that at least some people of the UK were benefitting.
 
no9 said:
Laughing stock because the elite (and quite a lot of peoples on this site) sided with the European council, embarrassing
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We were one of the EU big three, you talk as though they were our masters and we were the servant. Maybe the "elite" understood the benefits. I consider Rees Mogg and Farage as the "elite" and they'd like to put you in your place, how dare you have freedom of movement to live where you like.
 
It was and is a load of shite .
Got over the line due to a mixture of poundland patriotism and xenophobia .Also complacency on the part of a lot of remainers.
Absolute bollocks about oven ready deals and taking back sovereignty.

7 years on and I see no economic cultural, political benefit to the UK.


There was often the argument against federalism or worse still being a northern state in the US of E .

We should have stayed in and made the case for economic cooperation and trade and not political union.The french and to lesser extent the german governments would have liked the political union stuff.

I'm being speculative now but a lot of Dutch,Scandinavians, Italians, East Europeans and French people admired our independence and push back against closer union.

It was an serious error and the people were lied to.It compounded divisions at home and has fkt our economy.

We will recover and its not ghe end of the world but was so unnecessary.

In the end we just have to crack on
 
Sven said:
Well we don’t according to a lot of people, you need to make your mind up whether we have control of immigration or we don’t.

I know, I’ve lived all over the UK and I’m currently moving abroad. It doesn’t mean we haven’t made things more restrictive for our own citizens too.

I’d love for someone on here to come out and say how great Brexit has been for them, how they were already feeling the benefits, rather than soundbites about sovereignty. It would make me feel better about my shit situation to know that at least some people of the UK were benefitting.
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JJP has already stated that contactless payments being 100 quid has made life sooooo much better.





Apparently transaction fraud has gone up quite significantly in the UK and im pretty sure the uk banks have been or are about to be given a pass on liability for fraudulent payments up to 100 pounds.
 
Shandypants said:
We were one of the EU big three, you talk as though they were our masters and we were the servant. Maybe the "elite" understood the benefits. I consider Rees Mogg and Farage as the "elite" and they'd like to put you in your place, how dare you have freedom of movement to live where you like.
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You can live wherever you want now, you might have to fill a few forms in and prove that you’re worthy but so you should. Get yourself off to France or Belgium, you will fit in well and I’m sure the locals will be delighted to have you.
 
Bisphamtang said:
It was and is a load of shite .
Got over the line due to a mixture of poundland patriotism and xenophobia .Also complacency on the part of a lot of remainers.
Absolute bollocks about oven ready deals and taking back sovereignty.

7 years on and I see no economic cultural, political benefit to the UK.


There was often the argument against federalism or worse still being a northern state in the US of E .

We should have stayed in and made the case for economic cooperation and trade and not political union.The french and to lesser extent the german governments would have liked the political union stuff.

I'm being speculative now but a lot of Dutch,Scandinavians, Italians, East Europeans and French people admired our independence and push back against closer union.

It was an serious error and the people were lied to.It compounded divisions at home and has fkt our economy.

We will recover and its not ghe end of the world but was so unnecessary.

In the end we just have to crack on
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Why didn’t we crack on after the referendum, why did we fight amongst ourselves for years. We showed zero unity and gave the European council the upper hand in negotiations.

The UK will be a blueprint for other countries on how not to negotiate trade deals🫣
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
So it was ok for the people who used to live in them the construction workers/off shore people but it’s not ok now for these immigrants who are here illegally to live in them?

So good luck with that one.

At the end of the day there is always an alternative if they don’t like the accommodation.
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Accommodation workers had a room each. This lot are putting 4 strangers in each room.
 
JJpool said:
Doesn't seem to be going anywhere, after being proven right and many people on here were dead wrong, infact some on the left were clearly worried about him, as they felt the need to release a biased hit piece out of nowhere.

"Quick, he's getting support from all sides, better release some clips of things he may or may not have said as a kid and people he stood next to to try and make him guilty by association."
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Yet keeps saying he might have to leave. Good job he's got German citizenship.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
As I said don’t do it then if it’s that bad no one is forcing them onto that accommodation.
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No one is forcing them onto that accommodation...

So they're arriving at Dover then driving themselves to Portland, then asking 3 others to share bunkbeds?
 
Wizaard said:
No one is forcing them onto that accommodation...

So they're arriving at Dover then driving themselves to Portland, then asking 3 others to share bunkbeds?
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If you don’t like it don’t come simple.

No one forces them on to those rubber boats risking life and limb.

And please spare me their all escaping war, famine, hunger.
 
Wizaard said:
It would be easier all round if they drowned is the position you seem to be heading to.
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It’s not our problem that they are setting off from a beach in France it’s far safer to stay there why risks their lives? After all it’s a safe haven isn’t it? And that’s what they want?
 
Wizaard said:
Because most come from English speaking countries, a consequence of Empire.
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Oh come on when has Albania, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, the bulk of African countries been part of the British empire?

And why is it it’s only young men 18-25 year olds ever wondered? Where are their families?
 
Sven said:
Well we don’t according to a lot of people, you need to make your mind up whether we have control of immigration or we don’t.

I know, I’ve lived all over the UK and I’m currently moving abroad. It doesn’t mean we haven’t made things more restrictive for our own citizens too.

I’d love for someone on here to come out and say how great Brexit has been for them, how they were already feeling the benefits, rather than soundbites about sovereignty. It would make me feel better about my shit situation to know that at least some people of the UK were benefitting.
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We have all the available powers now, a failure to stop the boats is seperate to legal migration, a lof of the government's plans to deal with the issue and put suitable deterrents in place are constantly blocked.

Well, stalling then covid has meant we're nowhere near as far along as we would have been in a normal situation to judge it and have had other things to deal with, as well as brexit.

Who knows what labour will do with it all.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Oh come on when has Albania, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, the bulk of African countries been part of the British empire?
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For the benefit of your education, here is a listing of all the countries that used to be part of the British Empire... about 76 or so with some variation in status.
en.m.wikipedia.org

List of countries that have gained independence from the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

Including Iraq, Afghanistan and some 19 countries in Africa alone. Yes, most of them do have English as an official language as a consequence.
 
Archibald Knox said:
For the benefit of your education, here is a listing of all the countries that used to be part of the British Empire... about 76 or so with some variation in status.
en.m.wikipedia.org

List of countries that have gained independence from the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

Including Iraq, Afghanistan and some 19 countries in Africa alone. Yes, most of them do have English as an official language as a consequence.
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Greatest Empire ever but doesn’t mean we should have open borders, that’s madness
 
no9 said:
Greatest Empire ever but doesn’t mean we should have open borders, that’s madness
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Where did I say that? But in the EU, freedom of movement for EU citizens worked both ways.
Now, after Brexit, the EU limits our citizens’ travel and work. However, the French simply shrug, close their eyes and help the dinghies cross the Channel midpoint. And will not take a single person back. And few of the other EU countries stop the flow of migrants across the continent, they just move them on.
 
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Archibald Knox said:
Where did I say that? But in the EU, freedom of movement for EU citizens worked both ways.
Now, after Brexit, the EU limits our citizens’ travel and work. However, the French simply shrug, close their eyes and help the dinghies cross the Channel midpoint. And will not take a single person back. And few of the other EU countries stop the flow of migrants across the continent, they just move them on.
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Yes it’s a massive problem for Europe and not sure what can be done🫣
 
"Substantial long term gains to the UK” from #Brexit, says major academic study. Professor Patrick Minford and team write exclusively for CIBUK and @Facts4euOrg
 
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