Cashless concourses

Feel for the one bloke who uses his card in a group of cash-in-hand blokes..

"Go get the pints and pies in mate, I'll give you the money!"
 
Sorry but why would anyone elderly not have a bank account? Do you sack banks off at a certain age? How would you get your pension? Genuinely interested?
 
It’s the way forward. What annoys me most are businesses who don’t take cards!
Even most taxi drivers have card machines these days and they don’t like change.
I agree though that communication is the most important factor here. Why don’t the club give notice that say from 1st October the kiosks will be cashless. It will take away any aggressiveness at the counters.
Best wishes from
A West Stand “tartan blanket and flask” fan 😂
 
King Billy said:
Sorry but why would anyone elderly not have a bank account? Do you sack banks off at a certain age? How would you get your pension? Genuinely interested?
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They have to have a bank account for pensions to be paid into, the post office have stopped processing pensions.
 
MartonBornandBred said:
It’s the way forward. What annoys me most are businesses who don’t take cards!
Even most taxi drivers have card machines these days and they don’t like change.
I agree though that communication is the most important factor here. Why don’t the club give notice that say from 1st October the kiosks will be cashless. It will take away any aggressiveness at the counters.
Best wishes from
A West Stand “tartan blanket and flask” fan 😂
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You introduce at the start of the season so fans get used to it not mid flight that would cause problems.
1966_and_all_that said:
So, you think the older and less well off should just do one? Do they get in your way? Do they annoy you? Are they an inconvenience?
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Mr Twisty strikes again because it doesn't suit him what you post.
I bet hardly any if anyone out of the near 8000 ST holders paid cash for them so a no brainer for the club to change.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I have elderly parents who are still worried about non-cash transactions. There are people, young and old who don't have bank accounts. I suggest you think of the old and the less well off before you sneer. And no, I didn't see the humour.
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Serious question. What do you do with your money if you don’t have a bank?
 
I think Jonno maybe is stretching the truth remember him stating that he's a cab driver the other week so self-employed don't think the Tax man would appreciate you turning up with cash and no you can't pay it at the Post office anymore.
 
Can anyone actually function financially in this day and age without a bank account ? I mean genuinely, how do you get a mortgage, Or a loan, or a Visa card or anything come to think of it. Your basically invisible.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I'm agin it! Is this still a working man's game or not? Not everyone has a debit card and well stocked bank account. Sorry ..not impressed.
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I’m self employed & get paid quite often in cash obviously I declare it all ! But I do tend to pay virtually everything in cash, I’m not particularly old (56) unless it’s a big purchase then I don’t see the point in scanning
your debit card for a bovril
 
No cash you say. I can only imagine the confused look on the youngster's face behind the counter when I order a pint and proceed to write a cheque for it.
 
King Billy said:
Sorry but why would anyone elderly not have a bank account? Do you sack banks off at a certain age? How would you get your pension? Genuinely interested?
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It's not that. It's the fact that older people deal in cash-bank account or not. In 10 years I think you're on safe ground but not right now
 
I am old fashioned. I prefer paying cash for things. It is the modern age now, So no dramas. I only buy hot drinks when it gets cold. Will pay by card, No problem.
 
poolseasider said:
You introduce at the start of the season so fans get used to it not mid flight that would cause problems.

Mr Twisty strikes again because it doesn't suit him what you post.
I bet hardly any if anyone out of the near 8000 ST holders paid cash for them so a no brainer for the club to change.
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Ligjtenen up Mr
 
Fancy inconveniencing yourself to the extent of not having a bank account or being able to make card transactions.

Seriously odd.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I have elderly parents. They have bank accounts but, like most people in their eighties, they deal in cash. It's not being anti anything, it's just how they are. Time won't change them.
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Do either of them actually go and watch BFC or are you being argumentative for arguments sake.
 
No one has mentioned what happens when the internet goes down on match day and all terminals freeze.

SIM EFT terminals still need to speak to the epos system and they aren't usually hard wired nowadays

I have lots of bank cards but prefer to use cash for my "pocket money" so I can keep a track on my spending, I will withdraw a certain amount for a day out and when it's gone, it's gone. I also dont have a betting account, call me old fashioned but it is how I like to control my cash expenditure. Thus it will mean I don't spend on concourses anymore!
 
michellebutterflyhotel said:
When in the ground on match days my hubby and stepson sit in a different part of the ground to me and they don’t have debit/credit cards so they’ll get less income all season as they won’t be buying anything in the ground
I have my card I will be fine but I think also that this is a mistake by the club
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Exactly, this will be replicated a bit around the ground.

I dont get the need to suddenly cut off a bit more income.
 
Stanah said:
No one has mentioned what happens when the internet goes down on match day and all terminals freeze.

SIM EFT terminals still need to speak to the epos system and they aren't usually hard wired nowadays

I have lots of bank cards but prefer to use cash for my "pocket money" so I can keep a track on my spending, I will withdraw a certain amount for a day out and when it's gone, it's gone. I also dont have a betting account, call me old fashioned but it is how I like to control my cash expenditure. Thus it will mean I don't spend on concourses anymore!
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That’s a fair point. Your not doing it because you don’t want to. But surly you can track your spending better if you paid on card? Also how do you get around online ordering? Or do you just completely avoid it?
I’m against the eradication of cash but surprised at how some feel so strongly to the point they just will stop buying all together.
 
King Billy said:
That’s a fair point. Your not doing it because you don’t want to. But surly you can track your spending better if you paid on card? Also how do you get around online ordering? Or do you just completely avoid it?
I’m against the eradication of cash but surprised at how some feel so strongly to the point they just will stop buying all together.
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I do online ordering, and I keep track, just pocket money transactions are cash, I find it to easy to tap and lose track of expenditure, maybe I'm too generous and buy too many rounds but I often spend way too much on card so thus why I limit pocket money to cash only

The average transaction value will rise on card transactions and even more if an app was introduced but in my experience the number of transactions will reduce, I have trialed this around my businesses, this back up my own experience of you control card expenditure less than you do cash expenditure
 
I'm 40. Before the pandemic I was nearly 100% cash. I always carried a not insignificant amount of cash with me, mostly "just in case I needed it". I still love cash. But it's not the future. I also don't like change but I did. Now I use "contactless" card payments. Still don't trust it... but I may as well get used to it.

I understand its not easy for some (maybe especially the older generations) to change to card payments but that's what's happening. It happens now or it happens in 10 years. It's what's happening now. There's still gonna be people who don't feel comfortable making card payments for a bovril. I understand that... but if it's not you now, it's joe blogs tomorrow.
 
TangerinePeel said:
Feel for the one bloke who uses his card in a group of cash-in-hand blokes..

"Go get the pints and pies in mate, I'll give you the money!"
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I just returned from a week away with some very wealth friends, I came back cash rich due to this, my account took a real hammering though!
 
As i never buy any kind of “refreshments “ in the ground...or any other ground for that matter..it won’t be an issue for me but if I did then contactless would be fine if I did.
 
Scaramanga said:
Can anyone actually function financially in this day and age without a bank account ? I mean genuinely, how do you get a mortgage, Or a loan, or a Visa card or anything come to think of it. Your basically invisible.
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No

How do they even get a phone contract or ISP to post on here?
 
Stanah said:
No one has mentioned what happens when the internet goes down on match day and all terminals freeze.

SIM EFT terminals still need to speak to the epos system and they aren't usually hard wired nowadays

I have lots of bank cards but prefer to use cash for my "pocket money" so I can keep a track on my spending, I will withdraw a certain amount for a day out and when it's gone, it's gone. I also dont have a betting account, call me old fashioned but it is how I like to control my cash expenditure. Thus it will mean I don't spend on concourses anymore!
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Good point, I guarantee that BFC's IT support team will take a good half an hour to troubleshoot any network issues when they do occur
 
Stanah said:
I do online ordering, and I keep track, just pocket money transactions are cash, I find it to easy to tap and lose track of expenditure, maybe I'm too generous and buy too many rounds but I often spend way too much on card so thus why I limit pocket money to cash only

The average transaction value will rise on card transactions and even more if an app was introduced but in my experience the number of transactions will reduce, I have trialed this around my businesses, this back up my own experience of you control card expenditure less than you do cash expenditure
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I absolutely agree it’s easier to keep track of expenditure spending cash. I think it’s wise on a night out with a group of people to use cash as it becomes very easy to tap away on the debit/credit card.
Cruise ships and hotels love nothing more than getting your credit card info and charging everything to that as they know full well you will spend more by simply showing your room key card.
That being said I don’t think there’s any particular danger of losing track of spending in a football ground (2 pints and a pie at most) as you arn’t even there that long.
 
Stanah said:
No one has mentioned what happens when the internet goes down on match day and all terminals freeze.
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I've seen this twice in ten years as a consumer (card payments not accepted due to service issues inc. internet connectivity). The electricity to power the cash tills is just as likely to go out as "the internet". It's a complete non argument against card payments.
 
GrahamwantshisOates said:
Do the younger generation still tip bar staff?
It was traditional to say “ an your own” and they would take a 10 p off you.
This amounted to a decent pile at the end of the night.

Still old school and only use my card if over £10.
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My daughter works in a bar. Card payers never tip. Hardly ever get any as there's no keep the change going on.
 
GTFsTwinBrother said:
I've seen this twice in ten years as a consumer (card payments not accepted due to service issues inc. internet connectivity). The electricity to power the cash tills is just as likely to go out as "the internet". It's a complete non argument against card payments.
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That's not factually correct, either statistically or in my vast experience, practically.
I've experienced epos and eft outages hundreds of times in my units over the last 20 odd years since card payment went digital, perhaps the IT boys and girls at zonal need some help from you!
I would always advocate using a back up system (like cash)

Don't get me wrong, cashless has lots of advantages, especially with casual staff, cash always has security issues ( staff fiddling) and takes time counting floats, cash checks, admin, cashing up, banking, it make sense.

But let's not forget, the customer is king and their opinion and needs should determine this decision, it is the hospitality business!
 
Pool_pro_wear said:
The person I feel sorry for is the kiosk worker - part time job, extra job. I get the pints in, pie etc, comes to £18, I give a twenty - “keep the change”. I always tip - poor sods don’t get a look in now 😟
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True, plus tramps and beggars outside shops, they look especially sad these days as no one has change, unless in the unlikely scenario they start getting card machines for contactless payments....
 
Apart from shoving a few coins in me pocket for tips if we’re off out for a meal, haven’t used cash for maybe 4 years, spurred on when those hideous slippery notes came out. As far as older fans being affected, most probably take their own provisions for half time munchies. Personally I can’t be arsed to leave my seat at half time and don’t see any need to do, I can last 2 hours without feeding my face. My money goes to the club on season tickets, club shop purchases et al. Time to move forward.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I have elderly parents who are still worried about non-cash transactions. There are people, young and old who don't have bank accounts. I suggest you think of the old and the less well off before you sneer. And no, I didn't see the humour.
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Everyone has a bank account. You can’t have wages or benefits paid without one. It’s nothing to do with being well off..
 
What will happen to matchday programmes and golden gamble, or Mr wriggly only a pound gasligters 10 for a pound bloke who used to be in town.

These types dont strike me as the card machines type.

2p pushers in the arcade, you cant do that with a card, you cant cheat and bump a machine full of virtual money into your bank account.

Worlds gone mad.

Even tossing a coin, heads or tails, classic, what next flip a card, cardholder info or signature, not for me 👎😩

I'm out.
 
Speeds up the sales process, reduces the work of the finance department, encourages a greater spend from the customer, reduces risk of theft and reduces contact points to. Progress, common sense and good business. The worlds changing and the club now keeps up with it.
 
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