Cummings

EPM46 said:
DKL, you should seek professional help, urgently! Your posts are becoming increasingly embarrassing.
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It’s good when he gets pissed though as the people who sometimes support him get to see the person he really is - nasty, spiteful and aggressive.

Edit to add I’ve just seen that a lot of his posts have been removed which is a real shame.
 
bollieboy said:
How can Johnson sack him after all the stunts that Boris himself has pulled and got away with ?

It would be like Iggy Pop busting you for smoking dope.
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This is the problem isn’t it. And we don’t know who has what on who ‘secret wise’ which complicates matters and makes obvious sackings less likely.
He does have to go though.
 
Yep, he has to go and I think he will. The press and media will see to that. Other leading players as mentioned previously have gone so he must follow suit.
But god, we don't half like a witch hunt in our thirst for blood. And that's rather sad of todays society.
 
20togo said:
Yep, he has to go and I think he will. The press and media will see to that. Other leading players as mentioned previously have gone so he must follow suit.
But god, we don't half like a witch hunt in our thirst for blood. And that's rather sad of todays society.
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We've always enjoyed witch hunts. Just look at Salem! 😉
 
Hes not going!
The UK prime minister's office has issued a statement saying his chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, did not break any rules when he travelled to his family home even though he was suffering with the virus. Here's the full statement:

"Owing to his wife being infected with suspected coronavirus and the high likelihood that he would himself become unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for. His sister and nieces had volunteered to help so he went to a house near to but separate from his extended family in case their help was needed. His sister shopped for the family and left everything outside. At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported. His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines. Mr Cummings believes he behaved reasonably and legally."
 
GJJW said:
Hes not going!
The UK prime minister's office has issued a statement saying his chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, did not break any rules when he travelled to his family home even though he was suffering with the virus. Here's the full statement:

"Owing to his wife being infected with suspected coronavirus and the high likelihood that he would himself become unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for. His sister and nieces had volunteered to help so he went to a house near to but separate from his extended family in case their help was needed. His sister shopped for the family and left everything outside. At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported. His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines. Mr Cummings believes he behaved reasonably and legally."
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What a sack of shite. If everyone took off and travelled miles to get their child cared for at the slightest sign of infection there would be more global movement than pre lockdown.
And I thought kids were meant to be virtually unaffected !
Hypocritical tosser.
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Agree El Burro that this government will avoid media scrutiny and difficult questions from the press. But, one thing they can’t avoid is questions from the opposition in Parliament, and we now have the very man ideally suited to forensic examination.
 
We've just heard from No 10 saying the PM's chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, did not break any rules by travelling 260 miles from London to Durham during lockdown.

But this - more critical - statement has just come from the Durham police and crime commissioner, Steve White:

"Given the whole ethos of the guidance and regulations was designed to reduce the spread, regardless of reason, by travelling to County Durham when known to be infected was most unwise.

"To beat this crisis we need to be selfless as millions have been. The response by the people of Durham has been exemplary which makes this most frustrating and concerning."
 
GJJW said:
We've just heard from No 10 saying the PM's chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, did not break any rules by travelling 260 miles from London to Durham during lockdown.

But this - more critical - statement has just come from the Durham police and crime commissioner, Steve White:

"Given the whole ethos of the guidance and regulations was designed to reduce the spread, regardless of reason, by travelling to County Durham when known to be infected was most unwise.

"To beat this crisis we need to be selfless as millions have been. The response by the people of Durham has been exemplary which makes this most frustrating and concerning."
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And if 2 adults, one who, at the time was not infected can’t look after themselves and one child it’s a poor do. What do they think the rest of us do, all the bloody time.
Out out out 😡
 
GJJW said:
Hes not going!
The UK prime minister's office has issued a statement saying his chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, did not break any rules when he travelled to his family home even though he was suffering with the virus. Here's the full statement:

"Owing to his wife being infected with suspected coronavirus and the high likelihood that he would himself become unwell, it was essential for Dominic Cummings to ensure his young child could be properly cared for. His sister and nieces had volunteered to help so he went to a house near to but separate from his extended family in case their help was needed. His sister shopped for the family and left everything outside. At no stage was he or his family spoken to by the police about this matter, as is being reported. His actions were in line with coronavirus guidelines. Mr Cummings believes he behaved reasonably and legally."
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Well the police said they’d spoken to “the owners of the property” who confirmed he was present. So Dom’s being a tad disingenuous by trying to imply the police didn’t call.
 
He's going to go then rejoin when it all quietens down. Same as has happened throughout history, most recently with Priti ** Patel.

It's quite ironic that he's been hoisted by his own petard though.
 
Just give him a fixed penalty notice then like everybody else.

I often think these things are put out at certain times to distract people.Look over here not over there.
 
I see Johnson has said it was reasonable and essential for him to travel 260 miles to plonk himself and his family into the house of his over 70's parents at a time when the R rate was between 3 and 4.
I give up. What's the ** point of abiding by any of these rules? Can I suggest the 9000 people fined should get their money back and the records expunged?
 
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You couldn't make this up. The hypicriscy is baffling 😁

UK Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has voiced his support for Dominic Cummings on Twitter this morning.

The PM's chief adviser, Cummings is facing calls to resign after it emerged he and his family travelled from London to Durham with coronavirus symptoms during lockdown, apparently because they needed childcare help.

Writing on Twitter, Gove said: "Caring for your wife and child is not a crime."

In a similar post, fellow Conservative MP Robert Halfon added: “Ill couple drive 260 plus miles to ensure that their small child can be looked after properly. In some quarters this is regarded as crime of the century. Is this really the kind of country we are?”
 
Ormergod said:
Just give him a fixed penalty notice then like everybody else.

I often think these things are put out at certain times to distract people.Look over here not over there.
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A fine isn’t enough when you’re part of the rule makers and breaking them yourself. Sorry, no.
 
GJJW said:
You couldn't make this up. The hypicriscy is baffling 😁

UK Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has voiced his support for Dominic Cummings on Twitter this morning.

The PM's chief adviser, Cummings is facing calls to resign after it emerged he and his family travelled from London to Durham with coronavirus symptoms during lockdown, apparently because they needed childcare help.

Writing on Twitter, Gove said: "Caring for your wife and child is not a crime."

In a similar post, fellow Conservative MP Robert Halfon added: “Ill couple drive 260 plus miles to ensure that their small child can be looked after properly. In some quarters this is regarded as crime of the century. Is this really the kind of country we are?”
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I think the point, Messrs Gove and Halfon, is that we didn’t make the rules - you did!! If you’ve now decided they are crap, don’t blame the rest of us who’ve been busting a gut to comply with them.
 
GJJW said:
You couldn't make this up. The hypicriscy is baffling 😁

UK Cabinet Office minister Michael Gove has voiced his support for Dominic Cummings on Twitter this morning.

The PM's chief adviser, Cummings is facing calls to resign after it emerged he and his family travelled from London to Durham with coronavirus symptoms during lockdown, apparently because they needed childcare help.

Writing on Twitter, Gove said: "Caring for your wife and child is not a crime."

In a similar post, fellow Conservative MP Robert Halfon added: “Ill couple drive 260 plus miles to ensure that their small child can be looked after properly. In some quarters this is regarded as crime of the century. Is this really the kind of country we are?”
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Care for your wife and child at home you tosser. Obviously that’s not the crime. Driving 200 + miles during lockdown because you’re too much of a pussy to care for them yourself is the crime * banging head emoji *
 
So what’s the difference between what Cummings did and the Scottish female health expert who was potted by Nikki Krankie because she went to her second home? Oh yeh Cummings and his mrs had COVID 19 symptoms so they should'nt have even left their house and self isolated for 7 days (14?), surely between them they could have looked after the child. Rank hypocrisy and indefensible and it’s little wonder that people cram together on a beach sticking 2 fingers up to those who’ve sacrificed a lot inline with government guidelines!
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
From the BBC article

If you read in between the hysterical lines.....

"Mr Cummings did not break government guidance because he and his wife stayed in a separate building.

The story was first reported by the Mirror and Guardian newspapers."

Blah Blah Blah

"The Mirror and the Guardian reported Mr Cummings, the former Vote Leave chief who was the architect of the PM's BREXIT strategy, had been approached by the police."

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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In late March, if I'd travelled 260 miles to stay in a separate building I'd have got fined at the very least.
 
On a more serious note, irrespective of whether he has broken any "rules", most if not all of us on here have been making huge sacrifices during this and I'm sure many have been close to just saying, bollox, I'll quickly check in on the family. All this will do is push us closer to making that call. Multiply that out and ...... Secondly, how many police are going to get this thrown back at them when challenging a group having a picnic on Brighton beach ?
 
Oh dear. Me thinks our "floating voter" 🤣 might have had a heavy night on the sauce and gotten a bit emotional trying to defend his heroes.

Truly embarrassing having the admin have to remove half of his abusive posts.
 
There is no 'time limit' on breaking HMG own rules!
Unless the Government and Cummings are happy to exercise double standards and show they have no integrity - he has to go.
Those at the heart of HMG must be above criticism, especially in respect of the rules they themselves have set. Hence the earlier resignation of the other two officials.
 
It's hard to comprehend people defending Cummings. It seems to be the same folk who wanted to take back control and are happy for an unelected bureaucrat to pull the strings.
Twenty years ago politicians would resign over scandals and lies, it's the norm these days the bloke at the top is one of the worst offenders.
 
So, what we know so far :

His wife had symptoms, so should have been self isolating for 7 days (this means staying in your home and not going out for any reason)
Mr Cummings should therefore have been isolating for 14 days (this means staying in your home and not going out for any reason)
Mr Cummings drove his child and ill wife to Durham, to stay in a house near the parents
Someone tipped off Durham police, who spoke to one of his rellies, not him because by then he too had symptoms
He claims he was not spoken to, factually correct but sophistry
Mr Cummings has sat in and listened to the finest medical minds in the country discussing the importance of self isolation, and the risks associated with not following guidance for the country.

Summing up, his wife broke the law, he ignored guidelines and risked his own family, and anyone they came in contact with on the way up

And all his cabinet colleagues are coming out in support.

And AVFTT thinks we should not be criticising the government ?????
 
Lala said:
Care for your wife and child at home you tosser. Obviously that’s not the crime. Driving 200 + miles during lockdown because you’re too much of a pussy to care for them yourself is the crime * banging head emoji *
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This is quite a 'pile-on', this morning, much of it ill informed and simply factually wrong.

The lock-down rules say that in exceptional circumstances people could travel. There is guidance that gives at least half a dozen examples and even the Deputy Chief Medical Officer referred to these exceptions at the start of the outbreak, at one of the briefings .
Both parents were ill with symptoms (not just one as was claimed, up-thread), and Cummings was getting worse.
Cummings and his wife made arrangements for his sister and their family to take care of his son.
Cummings travelled to Durham and stayed in a separate property from his parents, so they weren't endangered. His sister did their shopping and left it at the door so that social distancing would be maintained.

So, when Lala says care for your kids, that's exactly what Cummings was doing. Cummings was eventually bedridden, there was a chance his wife would have been too. The suggestion by the Lib Dem leader that Cummings should have handed the kid over to Social Services is risible. If that were me, it would have been, literally, 'over my dead body'.

When you look at the facts there isn't actually a story here (unless you are a hater). The question is why, having known about this for nearly two months, it is only in the past twenty-four hours that it has been unleashed?
 
It might be a witch hunt, but Cummings is one proper deadly propaganda witch. The alleged promoter of the disastrous “herd immunity” attitude (it can’t be called a policy). And the three-phrase sloganeer himself. Remember, if you were showing CV symptoms you HAD to “Stay at Home” to “Protect the NHS” and “Save Lives”. Not just trivial rules then, that the chief government advisor could break with impunity. It was the law.

It looks like Cummings wrote that No.10 press briefing himself. Gawd, he must have some real dirt on Bozo to get away with this. As has been said, this situation will not go away and Cummings is going to be the lightning rod for the whole CV storm breaking about Johnson. Oh... now I see why the spineless PM wants to keep him on.
 
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Realfish said:
Both parents were ill with symptoms (not just one as was claimed, up-thread), and Cummings was getting worse.
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If that is the case, that is incredibly irresponsible, was he actively trying to spread the disease.

You may not think this is a story, but I assure you most of us who have kept away from family, friends, exercise, etc, etc, do.
 
I get confused about what some posters want. They don't seem to want a media holding the rich, the powerful and the influential to account because it's anti patriotic or something. It's the sick and twisted, depraved, sensationalist agenda of the fake news MSM etc.

Yet offer them Pravda and they'd cite it as an example of the inherent faults of communism even though it is patriotic and supportive of the government.

There is no world in between. You either have a free press that competes for stories and readers and blows things up into sensationalist stuff for headlines or you have a state sponsored media that is inevitably accused of bias to a status quo or being propaganda.

This seems to be a cut and dried case of not only failing to follow the law that you made up, but then lying about it afterwards. I'm not sure what else to think about it. I've tried looking at it from different perspectives but I keep coming back to...

he broke the rules he presumably helped draft and communicate
his actions were potentially dangerous
It looks like others were complicit and are defending or covering it up.

If they are claiming he didn't break the rules, then we've hit peak 1984 and I fully expect to go on iPlayer, pull up the news for the day in question and see an article I feel slightly uncomfortable about for some reason where where Boris says 'stay at home, except if you need to go the length of the country' that doesn't quite tally with my memory of seeing it first time around...
 
Realfish said:
This is quite a 'pile-on', this morning, much of it ill informed and simply factually wrong.

The lock-down rules say that in exceptional circumstances people could travel. There is guidance that gives at least half a dozen examples and even the Deputy Chief Medical Officer referred to these exceptions at the start of the outbreak, at one of the briefings .
Both parents were ill with symptoms (not just one as was claimed, up-thread), and Cummings was getting worse.
Cummings and his wife made arrangements for his sister and their family to take care of his son.
Cummings travelled to Durham and stayed in a separate property from his parents, so they weren't endangered. His sister did their shopping and left it at the door so that social distancing would be maintained.

So, when Lala says care for your kids, that's exactly what Cummings was doing. Cummings was eventually bedridden, there was a chance his wife would have been too. The suggestion by the Lib Dem leader that Cummings should have handed the kid over to Social Services is risible. If that were me, it would have been, literally, 'over my dead body'.

When you look at the facts there isn't actually a story here (unless you are a hater). The question is why, having known about this for nearly two months, it is only in the past twenty-four hours that it has been unleashed?
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Since when was travelling to another home or second home ever allowed whatever the circumstances?
As a key worker why wasn’t his child sent to school like the kids of your average key worker?
He travelled this distance, to another home, in lockdown before he even knew if he’d be well enough to care for his child! Not exceptional circumstances, quite average circumstances really at the time.
He travelled based on precaution 🤔 hmm again an option I don’t think was advertised to the rest of us as being fair game.
As I said, at the time 50% of our workforce were self isolating due to symptoms. If we all took his stance nationwide the roads would be gridlocked with people moving homes across counties, just incase, and at the peak of the epidemic in lockdown.
Defending the indefensible on a technicality is utter bs and if he did become so ill his child could have been looked after by relatives without the whole family uprooting. That’s what would have happened to anyone else, if you were lucky enough to have someone to look after your child for you anyway.
Most people who aren’t hospitalised just get on with caring for their own children regardless. Poor Cummings, what a lily livered pussy, in my opinion.
 
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My better half's mum has had a serious heart attack during covid, she hasn't travelled to see her and it's breaking her heart. She's had to entrust her care to others.

We talked it over and decided because she works in a school then it was a risk, not just to her mum (and her frail dad) but to everyone else in a different area, all the people involved in her mum's care and those they contact in turn. We made that really painful choice (for her especially) based on the guidance given.

One of my best mates hasn't yet held his first grandchild for similar reasons.

I actually find the suggestions that 'it's OK cos Dom did it out of love' to be repugnant and offensive to the millions of people who have suffered (at best) isolation from their loved ones and (at worst) the suffering and pain of people they love from a distance and made horrible choices in the wider social interest.

People make mistakes. I'm not going to slate him personally and to be honest, if he said 'y'know what, I did wrong, I was frightened and in retrospect it was the wrong thing to do, but we were scared and ill' then I might actually go, 'yeah, fair play, everyone fucks up'

It's the obfuscation, the claiming that black is white and vice versa that does my head in. Closing ranks and claiming 'something wrong with this country!' instead of owning a mistake...

It just strikes me that some people defending him might be the same people who slated someone like Abbot for getting a sum wrong once. People make mistakes. It's how they own them that should define them.
 
The vast majority of us could manufacture our own unique reason as to why we might need to travel during the lockdown. I'm not sure Cummings circumstances or need to travel was / is any more necessary than that of many millions of others who didn't make any excuses, but instead complied with the requirements at the time.

For the everyday man in the street, who had done this, you might argue that they had acted irresponsibly, but accepted that people aren't perfect. In the case of a Senior Government Advisor, with access to a whole range of alternative options for childcare etc... it's nothing short of idiotic and the excuse is an insult to the intelligence of the British People.

The snivveling liitle shit should be given his marching orders..👎
 
Realfish said:
This is quite a 'pile-on', this morning, much of it ill informed and simply factually wrong.

The lock-down rules say that in exceptional circumstances people could travel. There is guidance that gives at least half a dozen examples and even the Deputy Chief Medical Officer referred to these exceptions at the start of the outbreak, at one of the briefings .
Both parents were ill with symptoms (not just one as was claimed, up-thread), and Cummings was getting worse.
Cummings and his wife made arrangements for his sister and their family to take care of his son.
Cummings travelled to Durham and stayed in a separate property from his parents, so they weren't endangered. His sister did their shopping and left it at the door so that social distancing would be maintained.

So, when Lala says care for your kids, that's exactly what Cummings was doing. Cummings was eventually bedridden, there was a chance his wife would have been too. The suggestion by the Lib Dem leader that Cummings should have handed the kid over to Social Services is risible. If that were me, it would have been, literally, 'over my dead body'.

When you look at the facts there isn't actually a story here (unless you are a hater). The question is why, having known about this for nearly two months, it is only in the past twenty-four hours that it has been unleashed?
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I may have missed something here, but If one or both of the childs parents (Dom and wife) had Corvid 19, surely it would have been more safe for everybody if the sister had come down from Durham to London to pick up the child, instead of Dom and his wife (both potential carriers) going to Durham and exposing the rest of the country to the virus. ? - unless of course that was not the real reason for going at all
 
Pool4eva said:
I may have missed something here, but If one or both of the childs parents (Dom and wife) had Corvid 19, surely it would have been more safe for everybody if the sister had come down from Durham to London to pick up the child, instead of Dom and his wife (both potential carriers) going to Durham and exposing the rest of the country to the virus. ? - unless of course that was not the real reason for going at all
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Of course it would.
It’s just a clusterf*ck of excuses we’re getting now. Insulting.
 
Macseasider said:
Oh dear. Me thinks our "floating voter" 🤣 might have had a heavy night on the sauce and gotten a bit emotional trying to defend his heroes.

Truly embarrassing having the admin have to remove half of his abusive posts.
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Too cowardly to quote my posts?

Thought you'd sneak a little dig in under the Radar did you?

Bless the naive red rosette wearing fake lefty, this old Mr Brexit non story has really wound you up hasn't it?

Are you sure it's not fake outrage? 🤔

My only disappointment is that the Mirror did not run a story on Gove to get you all spinning even faster😂

(Clarification for Wizard - the above statement isn't an endorsement of Cummings)

(Clarification for the Celtic fan - this is a Blackpool board - the abuse was only directed at your Nobbrrr mate)
 
Cummings is the chief government advisor working directly for the PM in No.10 !!! He works for the most powerful person in the country ! Let that thought sink in for a while. Whatever his perceived difficulties in terms of child care, if he and his wife both became ill, one phone call to No.10 and he would have had a crash care squad of nurses and functionaries around, bringing him food, cleaning his flat and looking after his child.

And even if BJ was hospitalised, there should have been cover in No.10 to help key workers like Cummings who encountered this situation. Which makes me think... maybe there wasn’t. That would be typical of BJ’s feckless, lazy, disorganised attitude to the CV. And with that mentalist Raab taking over as deputy, maybe Cummings judged that Raab disliked him and would be of zero assistance. It would not be surprising, considering the number of government ministers Cummings has really annoyed in the past 9 months. That’s why he was seen panicking and running away when BJ went down with the CV. Let’s get outta here !

Still, no excuse for what he and his wife did. Resignation is imperative. There are the precedents set by Ferguson and the Scot chief medic woman.
 
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I would not be surprised if Dom had informed Boris and/or other members of the cabinet of his intentions before even getting in his car to drive to Durham, ? but this Gov is so weak they he could do nothing to stop him "Dom rules OK"
 
Realfish said:
This is quite a 'pile-on', this morning, much of it ill informed and simply factually wrong.

The lock-down rules say that in exceptional circumstances people could travel. There is guidance that gives at least half a dozen examples and even the Deputy Chief Medical Officer referred to these exceptions at the start of the outbreak, at one of the briefings .
Both parents were ill with symptoms (not just one as was claimed, up-thread), and Cummings was getting worse.
Cummings and his wife made arrangements for his sister and their family to take care of his son.
Cummings travelled to Durham and stayed in a separate property from his parents, so they weren't endangered. His sister did their shopping and left it at the door so that social distancing would be maintained.

So, when Lala says care for your kids, that's exactly what Cummings was doing. Cummings was eventually bedridden, there was a chance his wife would have been too. The suggestion by the Lib Dem leader that Cummings should have handed the kid over to Social Services is risible. If that were me, it would have been, literally, 'over my dead body'.

When you look at the facts there isn't actually a story here (unless you are a hater). The question is why, having known about this for nearly two months, it is only in the past twenty-four hours that it has been unleashed?
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So you’re privy to all the facts, amazing!

Cummins would love the spin you’ve put on this!
 
Don_K_Lasher said:
Too cowardly to quote my posts?

Thought you'd sneak a little dig in under the Radar did you?

Bless the naive red rosette wearing fake lefty, this old Mr Brexit non story has really wound you up hasn't it?

Are you sure it's not fake outrage? 🤔

My only disappointment is that the Mirror did not run a story on Gove to get you all spinning even faster😂

(Clarification for Wizard - the above statement isn't an endorsement of Cummings)

(Clarification for the Celtic fan - this is a Blackpool board - the abuse was only directed at your Nobbrrr mate)
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Well that’s alright then?😊
 
Well it must be a monumental fcuk up if I find myself agreeing with Piers Morgan. He’s said, unless Dom is sacked today, he‘s going to visit his parents who he hasn’t seen for 12 weeks.

Well sod it; it’s my birthday on Monday so I’m getting the family over for a party.

I’ve only been out in the car three times since 23 March but Lockdown ends for me today. 👍
 
Realfish said:
This is quite a 'pile-on', this morning, much of it ill informed and simply factually wrong.

The lock-down rules say that in exceptional circumstances people could travel. There is guidance that gives at least half a dozen examples and even the Deputy Chief Medical Officer referred to these exceptions at the start of the outbreak, at one of the briefings .
Both parents were ill with symptoms (not just one as was claimed, up-thread), and Cummings was getting worse.
Cummings and his wife made arrangements for his sister and their family to take care of his son.
Cummings travelled to Durham and stayed in a separate property from his parents, so they weren't endangered. His sister did their shopping and left it at the door so that social distancing would be maintained.

So, when Lala says care for your kids, that's exactly what Cummings was doing. Cummings was eventually bedridden, there was a chance his wife would have been too. The suggestion by the Lib Dem leader that Cummings should have handed the kid over to Social Services is risible. If that were me, it would have been, literally, 'over my dead body'.

When you look at the facts there isn't actually a story here (unless you are a hater). The question is why, having known about this for nearly two months, it is only in the past twenty-four hours that it has been unleashed?
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Utter shite.
 
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