Grim without Maxwell?

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Last time around when Maxwell was absent Grimshaw more than admirably filled the void and everyone's initial fears were dispelled with some excellent all round performances.

When Maxwell returned to fitness Grimshaw was stood down when his performances should have dictated otherwise and nothing that has been witnessed since changes that viewpoint.

This time around you would like to think form rather than rank will dictate who owns the shirt.

Chris Maxwell is a more than talented keeper a great club servant and Captain but right here and now Grimshaw is in on merit regardless of the availability of others.
 
Bloodorange said:
Last time around when Maxwell was absent Grimshaw more than admirably filled the void and everyone's initial fears were dispelled with some excellent all round performances.

When Maxwell returned to fitness Grimshaw was stood down when his performances should have dictated otherwise and nothing that has been witnessed since changes that viewpoint.

This time around you would like to think form rather than rank will dictate who owns the shirt.

Chris Maxwell is a more than talented keeper a great club servant and Captain but right here and now Grimshaw is in on merit regardless of the availability of others.
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Maxwell's performances up to his injury put him as our best keeper since Banks, bringing him back was the right option, almost everyone agreed.
 
I’m not keen on dropping players who are clearly performing to a high standard. Sends out the wrong message imo. Not good for building confidence and/or developing others.

Don’t agree with Maxwell being captain either. Should always be an outfield player imo. Currently Keogh (when fit) would make the most sense due to his age, experience and battling qualities.
 
Teams need people fighting for places - keeps the hunger and determination there . Grimshaw seized his opportunity with both hands and the reward for that should of been keep the shirt . I like Maxwell , but he hasn’t really had anyone knocking on the door for his place - until now . Won’t do Maxwell any harm fighting for his place , and it won’t do Grimshaw any harm being number one !
 
Raging_Bull said:
Me too, Maxwell is over rated IMO.
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Not that really, he's a decent keeper, but as above, shirts should be on merit. Any professional should understand and accept that.

Did critch ever explain his thought process as it appeared to be a you're my number 1, end of.
 
I also preferred Grimshaw prior to Maxwell returning. He was playing well, the defence was solid, and we were in great form. That’s nothing against Maxwell, he’s a very good keeper and has been brilliant for us.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Maxwell's performances up to his injury put him as our best keeper since Banks, bringing him back was the right option, almost everyone agreed.
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Did they? I didn't see that on twitter/avftt or anyone I spoke to at Derby? Not sure that was quite the case, I'd say it was an even split.
 
Maxwell cost us the Luton goal and wasn’t,at home fit

The advantage Grimshaw has is he’s better at distributing the ball from back passes - half decent passer etc

There was no way Maxwell should have returned there was nothing Maxi could do better than Grimshaw and as others have said everything was settled at the back
 
SeasideKurt said:
Did they? I didn't see that on twitter/avftt or anyone I spoke to at Derby? Not sure that was quite the case, I'd say it was an even split.
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Time to bring back Maxwell?

It would be really hard on Grimshaw to lose his place but in terms of Maxwell being our Captain and also moving away from this horrible tip tapping backwards and forwards from the keeper - I'd give it a go tomorrow.
avftt.co.uk
 
On previous threads I stated that I was old school & that a player should not be dropped (Grimshaw) until his form dipped , a few posters thought the opposite & thought Maxi is our No 1 & captain & was right that he was brought back , I was right 😀
 
I think there is pretty much universal agreement on here that Grimshaw should have kept his place.

Like many have also said, there is nothing against Maxi, he is an excellent keeper and will get his chance again

Critch will have learned a valuable lesson in all of this, and I wonder what Steve Banks advice was about giving the shirt to Maxi..
 
Seasider1953 said:
On previous threads I stated that I was old school & that a player should not be dropped (Grimshaw) until his form dipped , a few posters thought the opposite & thought Maxi is our No 1 & captain & was right that he was brought back , I was right 😀
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no you weren't. Maxwell was brought back in for the reasons stated. So you were wrong.
 
I think Maxwell was brought back in for a number of reasons . Previous form. Captain and also he's our player and not a loan player plus experience and age. Think Critchley has always thought of Grimshaw as a backup but recent events with reoccurrence of Maxi injury and his form since returning which was definitely due to not being fully fit.

Think Grimshaw is in for the foreseeable future and I hope Critchley will make Maxi keen and work for the no1 shirt
 
Maxwell was having a very good season prior to his injury. The injury seems to have affected him. There's not a lot between the two in my opinion, and no need for people to get shirty about who was right about who should've been picked. 🤠
 
voyeur said:
Maxwell was having a very good season prior to his injury. The injury seems to have affected him. There's not a lot between the two in my opinion, and no need for people to get shirty about who was right about who should've been picked. 🤠
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This is aimed at you 20togo , be nice it’s Christmas 🍊
 
Maxwell is a very good keeper as he has proved over the last few seasons. Thankfully we have another championship quality keeper in Grimshaw.
 
All the debate is relative now. Maxwell has a pretty bad injury so Grimmy is our keeper for the foreseeable future so it doesn't matter what side of the fence you are on.

We are just lucky that we have 2 (actually 3) very good goalkeepers in our squad.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Maxwell's performances up to his injury put him as our best keeper since Banks, bringing him back was the right option, almost everyone agreed.
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I don’t agree with your assertion of almost everyone agreed. I think it was probably 50/50 or 60 /40 .
 
voyeur said:
Maxwell was having a very good season prior to his injury. The injury seems to have affected him. There's not a lot between the two in my opinion, and no need for people to get shirty about who was right about who should've been picked. 🤠
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Get shirty🤣🤣 pun intended I hope.
 
voyeur said:
Maxwell was having a very good season prior to his injury. The injury seems to have affected him. There's not a lot between the two in my opinion, and no need for people to get shirty about who was right about who should've been picked. 🤠
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Get shirty🤣🤣 pun intended I hope
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I've linked to a thread above where almost everyone agreed.
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Before Maxwells return the comments you have linked were as I said 60/40 in his favour, after his return the votes were vastly of the opinion it was the wrong choice. Really this discussion is irrelevant for now, he came back had a mare and is now out again. We will revisit this when he’s fit again.👍
 
20togo said:
I realise that voy. Was simply pointing out to 1953 that he was mistaken. Critchley brought Maxwell back into the team because in Critchleys eyes Maxwell was his no 1 keeper. And it's his opinion that counted not anyone elses. And it was an opinion I agreed with.
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Me too!
 
Goforgoal said:
Before Maxwells return the comments you have linked were as I said 60/40 in his favour, after his return the votes were vastly of the opinion it was the wrong choice. Really this discussion is irrelevant for now, he came back had a mare and is now out again. We will revisit this when he’s fit again.👍
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They're not 60/40 at all, but I agree, it's irrelevant.
 
voyeur said:
Me too!
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Ir's staggering that a keeper who was our player of the season last season keeping more clean sheets than any other in the division and had played very well this season prior to his injury has come in for so much criticism from our short memory fans. Grimshaw has done very well there's no denying that but the way so many on here have written off Maxwell says a lot. Thank God Critchley has more faith in him than some of you do.
 
Well I think that Grimshaw wasn't showing outstanding performances but he was really getting there. Game time always helps building confidence and provides experience.
Then Maxi comes back from injury and, being our captain,with proved experience, past performances, etc, it was a no brainer that he would be back in the team again.
Problem is, he didn't came back quite right so he was dropped in favour of Grimmy. For me all this sequence was right.
From the Nottingham game on, it was the oportunity for Grimmy to show us he has something in him somewhere.
Now is the real oportunity to make the number 1 shirt his, and make Maxi work really hard for it
 
Maccabfc said:
I think Maxwell was brought back in for a number of reasons . Previous form. Captain and also he's our player and not a loan player plus experience and age. Think Critchley has always thought of Grimshaw as a backup but recent events with reoccurrence of Maxi injury and his form since returning which was definitely due to not being fully fit.

Think Grimshaw is in for the foreseeable future and I hope Critchley will make Maxi keen and work for the no1 shirt
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Are you intimating Grimmy is on loan?
 
Can I say for the record I prefer Stuart Moore.

I like a goalie who comes off his line and commands his box is a decent size and is a goalie first and foremost.

Maxwell and Grimshaw are both excellent shot stoppers (in fact I always fancy their chances in a 1 on 1), but at about 5' 10" they stick on their line and get dominated by the opposition at corners, throw in's and free kicks AND we don't give them much in the way of protection.

I think though that our man Critchley likes a footballer who can play in nets and to be fair both Maxwell and Grimshaw have decent distribution most of the time which is why they get the nod over Moore.

As somebody said earlier, we've got 3 keepers who are as good as anyone we've had in ages and I don't dislike any of them.
 
Grim and Max are both allegedly 1.85m which is near as dammit 6' 1".

Guardiola likes a footballer in nets, and plenty of others. Grim only conceded more than once in his ten games so far, the two goals v Forest in his first game. So while we all like to see big guys looking commanding, the stats don't always necessarily back these things up. The game has changed, I guess. Keepers don't have many shots on target to stop, one on ones are a factor too. Keepers tend to stay on their line at set pieces and let the tall players mark the main opposition threats. There's a risk when a keeper comes out in a crowded box that he won't get there and this can lead to goals too, if they miss the ball, get caught up in the melee or fumble the ball. Just thinking out loud here.
 
Maccabfc said:
I think Maxwell was brought back in for a number of reasons . Previous form. Captain and also he's our player and not a loan player plus experience and age. Think Critchley has always thought of Grimshaw as a backup but recent events with reoccurrence of Maxi injury and his form since returning which was definitely due to not being fully fit.

Think Grimshaw is in for the foreseeable future and I hope Critchley will make Maxi keen and work for the no1 shirt
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Grimshaw isn't a loan player, but I would have picked Maxwell anyway.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
1. Grimshaw’s performances should not have dictated otherwise. As he didn’t do enoughto justify retaining his place over Maxwell.

2. It’s possible that Maxwell’s performances since returning from injury might have changed things. He may need to earn the shirt back next time around.
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His performance at Sheffield united alone was worthy of keeping the shirt....
 
voyeur said:
Grim and Max are both allegedly 1.85m which is near as dammit 6' 1".

Guardiola likes a footballer in nets, and plenty of others. Grim only conceded more than once in his ten games so far, the two goals v Forest in his first game. So while we all like to see big guys looking commanding, the stats don't always necessarily back these things up. The game has changed, I guess. Keepers don't have many shots on target to stop, one on ones are a factor too. Keepers tend to stay on their line at set pieces and let the tall players mark the main opposition threats. There's a risk when a keeper comes out in a crowded box that he won't get there and this can lead to goals too, if they miss the ball, get caught up in the melee or fumble the ball. Just thinking out loud here.
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They're 6' 1" on tip toes if they're lucky 🤣

I get your general point and I agree it's a pretty modern phenomena to have footballing goalkeepers.

Personally, I just think somebody like Schmeichal Snr was great and gave confidence to the defenders and was able to come off his line and clear out the attackers to claim or punch the ball.

I look at how often we are scrambling around at the back and think that's what we are missing. Far too often the ball sails past in what I consider catching positions allowing the opposition to get it back in the mix.

The number of times that Maxwell can't make a save because the goal is massive when he's stuck on his line.

All of that could be confirmation bias mind; I prefer bigger keepers, so look out for where I think a bigger keeper could do a better job and not necessarily for we've actually conceded our goals.

I'm also a realist, if they could be brilliant at all of it, they'd be paying higher up the pyramid.

I'm not unhappy with any of them, but would love to see Moore get a decent run off games too.
 
20togo said:
Ir's staggering that a keeper who was our player of the season last season keeping more clean sheets than any other in the division and had played very well this season prior to his injury has come in for so much criticism from our short memory fans. Grimshaw has done very well there's no denying that but the way so many on here have written off Maxwell says a lot. Thank God Critchley has more faith in him than some of you do.
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Can't say I've read every post but I have yet to see any who has written off Chris, just people who say Grimshaw has earned his right to the jersey. My guess is Moore would also prove himself if given the chance, we have three great 'keepers for this level.
 
must admit i like Moore he does command his area when the opposition has a corner it gives me the sh12s when Max stays at home as our beloved commentator loves to say on the radio.
 
TSSeasider said:
Can I say for the record I prefer Stuart Moore.

I like a goalie who comes off his line and commands his box is a decent size and is a goalie first and foremost.

Maxwell and Grimshaw are both excellent shot stoppers (in fact I always fancy their chances in a 1 on 1), but at about 5' 10" they stick on their line and get dominated by the opposition at corners, throw in's and free kicks AND we don't give them much in the way of protection.

I think though that our man Critchley likes a footballer who can play in nets and to be fair both Maxwell and Grimshaw have decent distribution most of the time which is why they get the nod over Moore.

As somebody said earlier, we've got 3 keepers who are as good as anyone we've had in ages and I don't dislike any of them.
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Both Maxwell and Grimshaw are 6’ 1”…
 
Grimshaw clicks with the back 4; in terms of second guessing and impressive distribution. Statistically he's done the business as well.
 
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