Hang your heads in shame

td53 said:
Even if we could get him (and we have got less than zero chance of him or Dyche or that type of profile) - we haven't got a squad for the likes of Wilder to prosper and the chances of us getting that squad in January is about zero too.

When you've got no money you have to have a clear identity as everything has to be maximised.

The board correctly identified this and Critchley's constant changing was in the short term useful, but in the long term problematic in terms of targeted recruitment.. Whether we've got the structure in place, I don't know (i.e. ultimately, whether Appleton is right or the recruitment and wider coaching structure is any good) but we have got a style now, (albeit not exactly prospering atm) and that should make each subsequent window easier to focus our targets within.

You can't vere wildly between styles. That's the privilege of the elite sadly.

Any manager deserves more than one flawed window.
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Wilder has built from scratch every time he has been appointed and has a great eye for talent.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Until when though?..if he takes us down then do we give him a chance in League 1 aswell?...Im sorry but there are a lot of issues in the way the team sets up and whilst I accept its a tough league and we have injuries , so does every other team. To not bring a sub on yesterday until the game was lost was verging on criminal given he keeps saying how tired the players are. He has made some dreadful decisions and looks clueless at times.
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He simply has no options

No experienced centre half, no back up to Madine, no right back and no holding midfielder

That isn't on Appleton
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Wilder has built from scratch every time he has been appointed and has a great eye for talent.
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Wilder is a sensational manager but we will not get him. At Sheff U he built from League 1 - at other clubs, even lower. To make the immediate impact in the Championship with no cash... It's a different and very challenging game.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I don't agree with that

There isn't a chance Appleton would have taken the job if he knew how poor the recruitment was going to be

You could see his frustration during the summer when multiple deals fell through
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If he didn’t know he must be the only one who didn’t. I was told by an acquaintance of mine, who is associated with another club, one of the reasons Critchley bailed was a reduction in player recruitment funds. That was the day after he left.
 
Goforgoal said:
If he didn’t know he must be the only one who didn’t. I was told by an acquaintance of mine, who is associated with another club, one of the reasons Critchley bailed was a reduction in player recruitment funds. That was the day after he left.
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Yeah there was definitely something strange about the way Critchley left and the way the team just folded towards the end of last season
 
Some fans are so fickle - chanting Michael appletons tangerine army a couple of weeks ago now this.

Some people call them self supporters but abandoned the team when we conceded a third after 64 mins. Chanting ‘how shit must you be, we’re winning away’ - what does that say to the players? Support the team and get behind them in difficult times rather than be so negative.

We’ve got a real problem with injuries and the board probably should’ve backed us a bit more in the transfer market too. We’d have won yesterday if it wasn’t for the red card - clearly the better team.

We’ve seen some great displays this season and are a good side to watch. Yes, there have been some shocking performances like Hull and Middlesbrough but we’re not far away from being a good side in this league.

The break will do us really well and I truly believe we will be absolutely fine. Even now, one win gets us up to mid table.
 
There’s definitely more in Appleton’s tenure than this current injury/illness/suspension riddled squad.
I’ve seen it, PNE game, Burnley, Coventry & Watford. There’s something there.

Where he’s falling down for me is not honestly assessing what the squad is capable of right now. Not in a month of Sundays are this group of players capable of playing this mythical high press high intensity 4-3-3. Why on earth he doesn’t just go back to basics and get points on the board I don’t know.

I believe the board have the best intentions of the club at heart and always try to improve us, but for what ever reason last summer was not very good on the transfer front.

Ultimately, out of everyone realistic being suggested Wilder might improve us but the chances of him coming in are slim I’d say. We’d gain nothing by firing Appleton now.
 
If he's sacked which I doubt he will be then what will be will be. I've no strong feelings either for or against him. What I will say though is that at approximately the same length of time into Critchleys tenureship there was a poll vote on AVFTT as to whether he should be potted and a good number were saying "YES". Look how that turned out? We ended up getting promotion. Appleton is barely 3 months into the job and it's reasonable to say, he's not having much luck on a few different fronts. Is it all down to him? I don't think so. I think it's reasonable to say he deserves a bit longer and I think the board will be of that opinion too. But yep, it's worrying times at the moment and as I've said quite a lot of times it would be disastrous short and long term for us to be relegated with no guarantee of an immediate return.
 
Qblock said:
Just out of interest Phil, what was your issue with Holloway?
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I had a row with him at the West Ham home game as he told the fans to fcuk off at the previous home game when he got the wrong end of the stick

I backed Holloway until he started to believe his own hype and started to defend the Oystons over the fans
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
Apart from 90% of Phil's last post about Rosenior being bullshit......I'm actually going to agree with Phil

Give Appleton the season.....he's got time off to work with the team and we have seen some really good football
He can do it...were 9 points off the play offs......staying in the Championship is vital...…Don't care how he does it....but I think he can....
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“If you do what you have always done…you get what you always got…” or to put a modern spin on it, this is more wishful thinking/hoping, which ultimately is sleepwalking to League One.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Absolutely pathetic fans chanting for the manager to go at a match

Reminds me of the idiots away at Barnsley getting rid of Ince and look how that turned out. Multiple managers and relegations

Best fans in the land my arse

Fcuking idiots more like
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Was ok when you did it for Critchley though
 
Philbfctrois said:
I didn't though I just posted my thoughts on this site

I never once gave him shit at a match

Big difference
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But you did criticise him at every possible opportunity and still do now when he’s not even our manager anymore.

As I said in my post the other day I completely agree with you regarding Appleton, he’s been let down. I also agree that the chanting yesterday was embarrassing.

I just think it’s a bit rich that you think you have a right to tell others to hang their heads in shame.
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
You still doing the Lowecommotion yesterday.....🤣

We think....we might be fucked
You know your whole club is about to implode and fall down the shitter once Hemmings shafts your wage bill
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Was impressed by Millwall they look decent to be fair

Delighted with 9 points from 12 going into the break , we’re slightly ahead were I expect we’ll finish.

Happy to have the points we have as it’s a crazy tight division, can flip from playoffs to relegation places in a flash and vice Versa

You’d expect West Brom and boro to pull well clear , I get your worried but there’s a lot of footy to be played , can’t wait for World Cup to be over then we can get back to the proper stuff.
 
Shiggy said:
But you did criticise him at every possible opportunity and still do now when he’s not even our manager anymore.

As I said in my post the other day I completely agree with you regarding Appleton, he’s been let down. I also agree that the chanting yesterday was embarrassing.

I just think it’s a bit rich that you think you have a right to tell others to hang their heads in shame.
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I criticised the appointment of him and his tactics I did nothing but support him the players and the club at every game I attended

That's the difference

It's massive
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Ok and then if we go down do we say yeah give him a chance in League 1...it wasnt his fault we went down...right now is as good a time as any to swap a manager nobody wanted and get in someone more positive, passionate and forward thinking...the new man can bring in players at the January window if the board back him...if they arent going to do that then its a moot point and it may aswell stay as it is and we can sleepwalk to relegation and lose most of the fan base and all of the progress made...no guarantee whatsoever we will get back out of league 1 and we can become the little old Blackpool some seem to think we are and and want us to be...personally I would rather dare to dream and push the boat out and get somebody different in...Chris Wilder would be my pick and before he is written off and we are told no chance he would come then lets remember he was successful at Oxford (smaller than us) Northampton (smaller than us) Sheff Utd (much bigger than us) and flopped at Boro...he now has something to prove and he may come here if the backing is there. Maybe enough people will spin the Michael Appleton bullshit about us being little old Blackpool and no bigger than Lincoln to put him off but I hope more people can get the belief that we have the potential to be something better. Maybe Im delusional and we really are a league 1/ league 2 side after all...Appleton seems to think so and doesnt believe we can compete at this level.
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What makes you think they would back a new manager if they haven't backed Appleton?

And, Wilder? Are smoking something mate?
 
Fans are allowed to voice their displeasure and there’s a contingent who don’t want Appleton and we’ve lost four on the spin.

I don’t agree with them but I don’t think they should hang their heads in shame. Paying customers have the right to share their opinion whether you agree with it or not.
 
Philbfctrois said:
He simply has no options

No experienced centre half, no back up to Madine, no right back and no holding midfielder

That isn't on Appleton
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Phil. You’re absolutely correct. So why appoint someone who they knew would be universally unpopular if we struggled and also not make every effort to guarantee he was fully backed ?????
 
I can't see why someone like Wilder is beyond us. Didn't he go to work on the bus? I suspect he's the kind of guy who doesn't like primadonnas.
In short, the type of gutsy guy we need.
Would it be too hasty to pot MA? Or would it be a decisive and positive move, before it's too late.
Alarm bells have been ringing for weeks.
I can see both sides of the argument - I think most on here can - for me, I think the time has come for a change before it's too late.
 
I fear the writing is on the wall for MA and the ironic thing is any new manager will be backed, so why not just back MA? Get him the fit DCM, the exp CB, the competition for GM and let him mould the team we can all see he's trying to get to.

A new manager could work, or could be a complete disaster. One thing I think will be happening atm is trying to see if we can get Bowler back on loan- I'd be amazed if the questions haven't been asked.
 
20togo said:
If he's sacked which I doubt he will be then what will be will be. I've no strong feelings either for or against him. What I will say though is that at approximately the same length of time into Critchleys tenureship there was a poll vote on AVFTT as to whether he should be potted and a good number were saying "YES". Look how that turned out? We ended up getting promotion. Appleton is barely 3 months into the job and it's reasonable to say, he's not having much luck on a few different fronts. Is it all down to him? I don't think so. I think it's reasonable to say he deserves a bit longer and I think the board will be of that opinion too. But yep, it's worrying times at the moment and as I've said quite a lot of times it would be disastrous short and long term for us to be relegated with no guarantee of an immediate return.
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The season started in July, he's had plenty of games. Agree with the rest, it would be a disaster if we were relegated.

The perception - to me at least - is that Sadler thinks we can consolidate on the cheap this season. Hopefully (I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) to use as a springboard for next season.

I pray this is not an Oyston-esque "masterplan".
 
Goforgoal said:
My hearing may be deteriorating a little with age, but I don’t recall anyone singing Appletons tangerine army at all, ever. Not this time round and certainly not the first time round.
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The whole crowd at Coventry at the end of the game. Perhaps you don't go to away games too often?
 
rockontommy said:
The season started in July, he's had plenty of games. Agree with the rest, it would be a disaster if we were relegated.

The perception - to me at least - is that Sadler thinks we can consolidate on the cheap this season. Hopefully (I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) to use as a springboard for next season.

I pray this is not an Oyston-esque "masterplan".
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The problem we have is that Simon Sadler doesn't have the money to finance a Championship football club
 
Wizaard said:
The whole crowd at Coventry at the end of the game. Perhaps you don't go to away games too often?
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I said in an earlier post, I didn’t go to Coventry but yes I do go away depending on distance. Unfortunately due to age and health I can’t travel great distances any more.☹️
 
Philbfctrois said:
The problem we have is that Simon Sadler doesn't have the money to finance a Championship football club
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I think he does Phil. I don’t think he has the money to finance a championship team and the infrastructure projects the club needs at the same time. Hence the impression that we are trying to negotiate this season on the cheap, which is a very risky strategy.
I actually still think we’ll be ok, given better fortune with injuries. I’ve seen enough in a number of performances to suggest we’ll get the wins we need
 
Wizaard said:
The whole crowd at Coventry at the end of the game. Perhaps you don't go to away games too often?
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I wasn't at Coventry but even though we won, it was obvious he had to ring the changes afterwards. ** criminal that he didn't actually. Decent, if not better, replacements coming back from suspension and injury. Can't complain about tiredness in those circumstances. Likewise yesterday, it's the optics of making a sub right after a 89th min winner - the manager looks like he can't compete with the armchair football dickhead (like me).
 
So how long would you give Appleton Phil the full 4 years even if we end up getting relegated?
Whilst I fully agree 100% in not dishing out verbal insults to the manager his actions yesterday (or should I say lack of them) in failing to introduce fresh legs last 10/15 minutes when everyone else could see things had to be changed he did fuck all till it was too late.
That’s the Manager’s fault no one else’s not Mansford not Sadlers no one apart from the manager.
Don’t know wether it’s true or not but I’ve heard stories he’s lost the dressing room well after yesterday he’s lost a lot of fans as well for me no coming now.
 
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Mark_GT said:
Clearly the chants R&S, as that was the OP to which I was responding. You can add in some of ours breaking the minute's silence too if you like, whatever the provocation from a few Wigan scrotes.
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A Sensible post.
I am of the opinion that we have seen in certain games enough to suggest that when we have a fit and fully functional team that we can compete with the best in the league. Unfortunately injuries to key players , suspensions and sendings off have left the team unbalanced . Last year we struggled badly under Critchley when we were short of a right back. This year we have been short of a right back, a defensive midfielder to take the ball off the likes of Marvin and link in with the other midfielders. Also there has been no replacement for Madine to give him the breaks that he clearly needs.
I dont know what else Appleton could have done with the bare bones of a squad we have been left with.
I would be more worried if we were Wigan and were being outplayed at home by a team that was just about putting a team out.I'm a Blackpool supporter win or lose.
I cannot see us adding anyone to squad in January as the players simply wont be available. But I live in hope. Fingers crossed we come out of this break with at least four or five players up and running if not actually match fit.
 
How do we go about this. Appleton must have known unless lied to by the owner and board what he had to play with. As fans We moaned like fuck about the scums legacy.. We've seen in some games a more attractive and attacking approach by Appleton. We seeing things moving off the field, training facility and East stand.
Not only are some fans questioning Appleton but now also Sadler, does he have the money to run a Championship team. Funny thing football, Any owner of any football club could just pull the plug and send the team into obscurity!!!!
Football supporters are all beholden to the people that hold the purse strings... Morecambe up for sale, should some member of the Saudi Royal family buy them, could in the next 5 years be fighting to win the Premier league...

Football is what it is...... Unless your team has a rich backer that will just plow money into the club and not bothered about any financial return.

We just going to end up like everything is, other than that one in a million Leicester City moment.
 
Philbfctrois said:
Absolutely pathetic fans chanting for the manager to go at a match

Reminds me of the idiots away at Barnsley getting rid of Ince and look how that turned out. Multiple managers and relegations

Best fans in the land my arse

Fcuking idiots more like
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100 per cent agree Phil. Very premature .

However it was always going to happen .

A lot of fans couldn’t wait it for him to fail and even though hasn’t as we have a transfer window and lots of football to play yet they were looking for slightest excuse .
 
We can stick or twist with MA. If we stick and results don't improve then we could be leaving it to late to bring someone in to change our fortunes. If we twist it gives the new man who comes in more time to implement his ldeas and tactics and bring in the players he wasnts in January.
Football roulette
 
Philbfctrois said:
Absolutely pathetic fans chanting for the manager to go at a match

Reminds me of the idiots away at Barnsley getting rid of Ince and look how that turned out. Multiple managers and relegations

Best fans in the land my arse

Fcuking idiots more like
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Rubbish - watch and Learn
 
Would I sack him - No
Has he been given a fair chance from the very off by a large chunk of our fans - No
Will he ever win those fans over - No
Can they wait to say " I told you so " - No
Supporters my arse, even heard people saying, I hope we lose.

Never understood the intense dislike some had for MA from day one. He is always going to be one bad run away from dogs abuse. Pep would have struggled with the hand Appleton's been dealt.
But Sadler may have to accept, that all the negativity is hurting the team and bow to pressure.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
I wasn't there, just listening to Chiz and reading the matchday thread. Therefore, my lowest point since we came back has to be the Middlesborough debacle. A shockingly bad performance.
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To be clear 66 I was talking about the abuse for Appleton not the game itself, in which every player pulled their tripes out for no reward once Marv had done his thing and the ref duly obliged. He had his card out before you can say "footballing authorities influenced conspiracy".
 
rockontommy said:
The season started in July, he's had plenty of games. Agree with the rest, it would be a disaster if we were relegated.

The perception - to me at least - is that Sadler thinks we can consolidate on the cheap this season. Hopefully (I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt) to use as a springboard for next season.

I pray this is not an Oyston-esque "masterplan".
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30 July so one game. So a little over 3 months. Similar length of time for when some were calling for Critchleys head. I don't think that's enough time to fairly assess based on other issues of which the point you mention may well be one. Pretty much it comes down to foresight v hindsight.
 
TANGERINETOWERPOWER said:
Until when though?..if he takes us down then do we give him a chance in League 1 aswell?...Im sorry but there are a lot of issues in the way the team sets up and whilst I accept its a tough league and we have injuries , so does every other team. To not bring a sub on yesterday until the game was lost was verging on criminal given he keeps saying how tired the players are. He has made some dreadful decisions and looks clueless at times.
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I didn’t want him to be appointed, but that’s exactly what I would do, yes.

He needs a proper opportunity to build a proper squad and if he was good enough to appoint, then he’s good enough to back properly.
 
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