Here comes Cummings

As I recall we got out of Europe because we were being ruled by a cabal of unelected officials.

Turns out that Cummings saw it as an opportunity to run the country because Boris wasn't up to it. Quite brazen about it. His vision of where the country goes next. Good to know that the electorate have no input whatsoever.
 
As I recall we got out of Europe because we were being ruled by a cabal of unelected officials.

Turns out that Cummings saw it as an opportunity to run the country because Boris wasn't up to it. Quite brazen about it. His vision of where the country goes next. Good to know that the electorate have no input whatsoever.
Makes you wonder why we bother with voting at all.

I'm glad he is exposing some home truths about this Government, but I wouldn't be too upset if he finishes up in jail ar the end of this.
 
Gove is being very, very quiet while all this Cummings stuff is playing out. Not a scintilla of support recently for Bozo.
Perhaps the simple explanation is that he is preoccupied with his divorce? But he has been on the record recently... the last few paras are interesting.
 
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My main takeaway from that was that the man who told us we were being run by unelected bureaucrats was happy for this country to be run by unelected bureaucrats provided he was the main unelected bureaucrat.
 
Frankly at this point I'm left wondering if he's insane.

The idea that he, and other unelected advisers, should be trying to oust the PM is bordering on treason, talking about it on national TV is delusional.
 
Frankly at this point I'm left wondering if he's insane.

The idea that he, and other unelected advisers, should be trying to oust the PM is bordering on treason, talking about it on national TV is delusional.
I have seriously wondered if he is in fact a Russian agent, given that he spent some time there as a young man.
He has certainly had a big role in successfully destabilising our country and dividing the nation through Brexit and the fall out from it. This has undermined the EU which in turn affects the NATO alliance.
The take down of Hancock hasn't been explained, and it has the fingerprints of some nation's secret services all over it - maybe our own. It has never been explained who put (and why there was) the camera in Hancock's office for instance. Did he have a role in this?
I can't see a situation where he would be back in government role - except via Gove, but even his old mate 'Donkey' would surely be mad to employ him.
 
Frankly at this point I'm left wondering if he's insane.

The idea that he, and other unelected advisers, should be trying to oust the PM is bordering on treason, talking about it on national TV is delusional.
Agreed, it is treason. Such a shame The Tower is now a tourist attraction and not an active torture chamber and open for beheadings.
 

When you look at it objectively it's a reasonable question.

Of the 141,000 registered deaths in England and Wales 84,000 were over the age of 80, whereas fewer than 1,000 were under the age of 40, so is it really necessary to lock up 32,000,000 people under the age of 40 to protect 3,000,000 over the age of 80.

This is not to say that the elderly should be thrown to the wolves, but simply a question of how to best protect them without imposing an unnecessary burden on others, these are questions that any PM should be asking.

Of course what's missing here is context, we don't know who else was involved in this whatsapp and what their positions were.

And of course in the end these were discussions, but the actions were different.
 
I think he's probably on the Kremlin's payroll

Doubt it, the Kremlin would want him working within the tent, not p***ing in from outside, and no future PM could ever possibly let him anywhere near government again.

He's a delusional narcissist who thinks he should've been given a free hand to run the country the way he sees fit and is now lashing out at those around him who said no.
 
Doubt it, the Kremlin would want him working within the tent, not p***ing in from outside, and no future PM could ever possibly let him anywhere near government again.

He's a delusional narcissist who thinks he should've been given a free hand to run the country the way he sees fit and is now lashing out at those around him who said no.
I think his goose is cooked as far as working within or with the goverment is concerned.... A man who appears to have collected information and likely (given the failure to sack him over Barnard Castle) sought to retain his position and dominance, through threats, manipulation and collecting dirt....
 
The 'I don't buy the NHS is overwhelmed' line is in total contrast with every daily press briefing even to this day when the constant line is about protecting our NHS. Two faced bastard.
 
Doubt it, the Kremlin would want him working within the tent, not p***ing in from outside, and no future PM could ever possibly let him anywhere near government again.

He's a delusional narcissist who thinks he should've been given a free hand to run the country the way he sees fit and is now lashing out at those around him who said no.
To be replaced by Mrs Carrie Johnson. Can't remember seeing her name on the ballot paper either.
 
Johnson appointed him because he’s a sucker for the punchy sound bite. Take Back Control and all that ensued with his half-hearted Brexit leadership. He certainly preferred sound bites and lies to presenting detailed joined-up policies that required effort. Then, when he won the vote, accidentally and unfortunately in his mind, he could not follow through and spent the next three years undermining Theresa May instead. And Cummings next idea for his 2019 election campaign was another punchy sound bite.

Cummings has been partly responsible (the electorate also, though!) for two of the most damaging events in our recent history of the last 30 years... Brexit and Johnson as PM. imho.

What kompromat does the Kremlin have on Bozo? Plenty I think, from his years in Brussels.
 
This country is now a playground for the dodgy uber rich and guess who they support? With Johnsons reluctance to pay for anything he'll have been on the take, hence an easy target for blackmail.
 
Johnson appointed him because he’s a sucker for the punchy sound bite. Take Back Control and all that ensued with his half-hearted Brexit leadership. He certainly preferred sound bites and lies to presenting detailed joined-up policies that required effort. Then, when he won the vote, accidentally and unfortunately in his mind, he could not follow through and spent the next three years undermining Theresa May instead. And Cummings next idea for his 2019 election campaign was another punchy sound bite.

Cummings has been partly responsible (the electorate also, though!) for two of the most damaging events in our recent history of the last 30 years... Brexit and Johnson as PM. imho.

What kompromat does the Kremlin have on Bozo? Plenty I think, from his years in Brussels.

See the story above. I cannot believe that he did this WHILE he was foreign secretary. It is a massive breach of security protocols and he left himself (and our country by extension) completely exposed. Why wasn't he immediately dismissed?
 
To be replaced by Mrs Carrie Johnson. Can't remember seeing her name on the ballot paper either.
You seem to have an incredible in insider knowledge of what's going on in government and Downing Street. Is that through your role in the Civil Service?
 
You seem to have an incredible in insider knowledge of what's going on in government and Downing Street. Is that through your role in the Civil Service?
It's in every paper and on all the news if you cared to check. It was reported at the time that Carrie vetoed the new comms director after a lengthy recruitment process, and someone she knew was appointed.

Common knowledge.
 
Yes the newspapers and the news always get things right. They never speculate and always deal in hard facts.
Common knowledge
 
Only just caught up with the full interview...

So am I right in thinking that Cummings admitted during that intervoew to being part of a Group of Unelected individuals who had taken the opportunity to infiltrate an existing mainstream Party and then seek to influence that party in their own predetermined direction?

Why are we even talking about Boris Johnson as opposed to one of the biggest attempts to usurp the elected Government, bypass the democratic process and decieve the British Public in our history? I mean his words were clear enough!!... Why aren't Cummings and his fellow conspiritors not currently awaiting trial?
 
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As someone posted - You don't have to like him to believe him.

Cant argue with him on the party system being f'ked either. It all needs a swift kick in the arris.

What you're in fact getting here is an insight to what really happens in the slippery world of UK Gov. at the very top of the tree.
I notice no ones challenging him or forcing him to shut up.

Boris was voted in on the back of Leave, he didn't have a clue what to do when he won! - it wasn't difficult when Steptoe was his only competition.
Pleaded with Cummings to work for him on any terms he wanted to stipulate. So he did.

Fcuk off Boris you useless twunt. I hope Cummings hangs the lot of them
 
As someone posted - You don't have to like him to believe him.

Cant argue with him on the party system being f'ked either. It all needs a swift kick in the arris.

What you're in fact getting here is an insight to what really happens in the slippery world of UK Gov. at the very top of the tree.
I notice no ones challenging him or forcing him to shut up.

Boris was voted in on the back of Leave, he didn't have a clue what to do when he won! - it wasn't difficult when Steptoe was his only competition.
Pleaded with Cummings to work for him on any terms he wanted to stipulate. So he did.

Fcuk off Boris you useless twunt. I hope Cummings hangs the lot of them
And the fact that Cummings along with some anonymous group have attempted some kind of coup? How do we feel about that?
 
We're a little short on detail on who 'we' is when Cummings makes reference to them.

Maybe he was/is arranging a coup with other Tories better positioned to lead the country.

I don't think were talking about an Equitorial Guinea coup d'etat.
 
Only just caught up with the full interview...

So am I right in thinking that Cummings admitted during that intervoew to being part of a Group of Unelected individuals who had taken the opportunity to infiltrate an existing mainstream Party and then seek to influence that party in their own predetermined direction?

Why are we even talking about Boris Johnson as opposed to one of the biggest attempts to usurp the elected Government, bypass the democratic process and decieve the British Public in our history? I mean his words were clear enough!!... Why aren't Cummings and his fellow conspiritors not currently awaiting trial?
Because its not against the law?
 
We're a little short on detail on who 'we' is when Cummings makes reference to them.

Maybe he was/is arranging a coup with other Tories better positioned to lead the country.

I don't think were talking about an Equitorial Guinea coup d'etat.
He specifically referred to infiltrating an existing party and using them as a vehicle.... He referred to other unelected individuals he had worked with on the Brexit campaign and he aslo alluded to the fact that he was dictating the policy terms.
 
He specifically referred to infiltrating an existing party and using them as a vehicle - Seems the quickest and most sensible way to do it
He referred to other unelected individuals he had worked with on the Brexit campaign - Forming a new challenging party?
he also alluded to the fact that he was dictating the policy terms. - Lack of leadership and the necessary attributes from clueless Boris - hence the name your terms Mr. Cummings?
 
He's absolutely right on the system. They are all useless and it is because the system dictates the need for short term thinking on how to climb the ladder.
 
And the fact that Cummings along with some anonymous group have attempted some kind of coup? How do we feel about that?
Arguably, Boris got in as Tory leader by staging an internal coup. Happens all the time. Is it any different than happened to Labour in the early 80s when the executive was setting policy that the Parliamentary party was totally opposed to their ideas?

Doesn't make it right, just the way politics works.
 
He specifically referred to infiltrating an existing party and using them as a vehicle - Seems the quickest and most sensible way to do it
Is it... ? So it's perfectly reasonable to essentially undermine the entire democratic process by wilfully misleading the public regarding the politics of the proposed government?

He referred to other unelected individuals he had worked with on the Brexit campaign - Forming a new challenging party?
No... he clarified that is who the "WE" was who he referred to as essentially dictating government policy and eho he acknowledged had infiltrated the party in order to use it as a vehicle to implement the policies of this faceless group.

he also alluded to the fact that he was dictating the policy terms. - Lack of leadership and the necessary attributes from clueless Boris - hence the name your terms Mr. Cummings?
The fact that Cummings found a weakness and exploited that weakness does not make it right. Did Cummings tell Boris that an external group were essentially running the country and that Boris was just a puppet?
 
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We're a little short on detail on who 'we' is when Cummings makes reference to them.

The Telegraph has an article on the subject: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/21/plotted-dominic-cummingss-dirty-dozen/

Most of the Brexit campaigners he might've discussed this with aren't terribly plausible and the idea that a conspiracy of this size could remain secret defies the laws of politics.

About the only plausible candidate is Gove, but the general consensus is that he's either making this up or has drifted off into a fantasy world and genuinely believes it to be true.
 
Is it... ? So it's perfectly reasonable to essentially undermine the entire democratic process by wilfully misleading the public regarding the politics of the proposed government?

Come on we're talking dirty politics here - personal standards and principals have no place. Even though we all know they should.

No... he clarified that is who the "WE" was who he referred to as essentially dictating government policy and eho he acknowledged had infiltrated the party in order to use it as a vehicle to implement the policies of this faceless group.

So we have a group of individuals - very powerful faceless individuals influencing party politics - who'd of thunk it!

he fact that Cummings found a weakness and exploited that weakness does not make it right. Did Cummings tell Boris that an external group were essentially running the country and theat Boris was just a puppet?

You are of course correct. Really, I think this is just another day in politics at the highest level. Hence nobody is making a big fuss about it. A backstabbing, cut throat game, where leaders cling on to power for as long as they can whilst dishing out the spoils along the way.

For me Cummings is exposing the very thing TD53 alluded to. Short termism and self serving politics. We've all thought it but now we know.

It's just the first time we've had such a close insight to the mechanics at the very top.

UK Gov. prided itself on secrecy and closing rank - this Cummings character is trying to pop the Big Wheel.

I wish hm well. I'm not going to be romantic about dropping people in it when the wrong guy is at the wheel playing with peoples lives.
 
The Telegraph has an article on the subject: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/21/plotted-dominic-cummingss-dirty-dozen/

Most of the Brexit campaigners he might've discussed this with aren't terribly plausible and the idea that a conspiracy of this size could remain secret defies the laws of politics.

About the only plausible candidate is Gove, but the general consensus is that he's either making this up or has drifted off into a fantasy world and genuinely believes it to be true.
I must admit I sat there last night (watched on playback) wondering to myself whether he's suffering from some kind of 'mania'... Wide eyed and what you might describe as 'delusions of grandieur'. I mean how can you be that blase about the admissions he made during that discussion.... It was like the gravity of his admissions were totally lost on him.... Like he genuinely believes that his own personal feelings (and those of his imaginary mates) should completely trump the entire democratic process and that infiltrating and assuming control of the government by stealth was fine, because "the public had a choice of either Boris or Corbyn and so it was better that Cummings just took over"... It's the wierdest thing I've ever witnessed TBH.
 
A liar or truth teller, whenever it suits the agenda I suppose. He is extremely unlikable either way.
 
I must admit I sat there last night (watched on playback) wondering to myself whether he's suffering from some kind of 'mania'... Wide eyed and what you might describe as 'delusions of grandieur'. I mean how can you be that blase about the admissions he made during that discussion.... It was like the gravity of his admissions were totally lost on him.... Like he genuinely believes that his own personal feelings (and those of his imaginary mates) should completely trump the entire democratic process and that infiltrating and assuming control of the government by stealth was fine, because "the public had a choice of either Boris or Corbyn and so it was better that Cummings just took over"... It's the wierdest thing I've ever witnessed TBH.
So he's either a Narcissist nutter or Bang on the money with the uncomfortable truth.

The silence is deafening so far.

Fascinating stuff to watch.
 
So he's either a Narcissist nutter or Bang on the money with the uncomfortable truth.

The silence is deafening so far.

Fascinating stuff to watch.
If he was way off beam, the evidence and denials would be ringing out. Instead, as Keir Starmer said, Boris is answering different questions to those put to him in a desperate effort to deflect.
 
So he's either a Narcissist nutter or Bang on the money with the uncomfortable truth.

The silence is deafening so far.

Fascinating stuff to watch.

That’s rather black or white.

If he was telling the truth, then he’s actually admitted to an attempt to take over government, bypass the democratic process and implement the policies of an unelected group without any mandate.

He’s justified the above by essentially saying the existing political system is shit and me and my half a dozen buddies know best and so and attempted coup is fine.

It’s barely believable….
 
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