Liam Rosenior

Liking the sound of Rosenior but my main concern is what will happen if Rooney comes calling looking for a new no 2 when Ten Hag, like every manager since Fergie, inevitably fails at Man Untied
 
tangible said:
Two years at Derby where things haven't been that comfortable, and as the number two, and the coach, he's overseen Derbys improvement in form. (Yes I k ow they were relegated, but we know that was nothing to do with LR)
Apart from coaching promising lads, and working under Klopp, what had critch actually done.
And do you really not value Roseniors playing career at prem and champ level? as you don't mention it. Anyhow, it comes down to what the board think. I think he has more that qualifies him now, than what NC had when he was appointed. But it's all opinions. 👍
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Every manager option is a risk. Critchley was. Larry was. Holloway was. But the risk varies. Critch had many years coaching experience at Crewe and Liverpool and had worked in a shit hot coaching regime with top players and knew all the talented academy rejects. Well, the Everton ones at least.

Rosenior might be an inspirationally brilliant choice for all I know. I just don't see enough evidence. He's not long out of playing, it seems too soon to be head coach at Championship level, to me. A playing career can teach people stuff but many footballers prove to be absolutely clueless in terms of coaching and managing people. Rosenior may be different. He would need an experienced mentor IMO.
 
We’ve not appointed Rosenior yet, but I get the impression that (in footballing terms) he sits at the top of the pile in terms of intellect and I also think he is a man who has a big point to prove in football management…

He’s been extremely vocal and a big advocate for increasing the level of diversity at the senior level of the game and will inevitably view his own development in that wider context.

As a character, I’d say he’s streets ahead of Critchley and the other potential candidates we’ve discussed. I would have no doubt in his ability and that he has all the attributes to succeed.

It would be a risk of course and possibly a risk that you might prefer to take in L1 as opposed to the Championship…. I suppose much might hinge on how influential a part he has actually played at Derby, behind a bloke who was largely a figurehead.

Worth a watch to get a feel for the bloke…

 
voyeur said:
Every manager option is a risk. Critchley was. Larry was. Holloway was. But the risk varies. Critch had many years coaching experience at Crewe and Liverpool and had worked in a shit hot coaching regime with top players and knew all the talented academy rejects. Well, the Everton ones at least.

Rosenior might be an inspirationally brilliant choice for all I know. I just don't see enough evidence. He's not long out of playing, it seems too soon to be head coach at Championship level, to me. A playing career can teach people stuff but many footballers prove to be absolutely clueless in terms of coaching and managing people. Rosenior may be different. He would need an experienced mentor IMO.
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I suppose you could compare him to Rooney in moving straight from playing to managing. That's worked well enough unless of course it's down to Liam.
The difference for me though is that Rosenior has grown up in a football family learning from his Dad.
Also if you believe that article he's been studying coaching since he was a boy.
He just ticks so many boxes that I think will impress the same people that were impressed by Quitchley.
I've no idea who he would want as his no. 2 (his Dad?) but I think we should move Garrity on. I don't know enough about Brunskill.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
We’ve not appointed Rosenior yet, but I get the impression that (in footballing terms) he sits at the top of the pile in terms of intellect and I also think he is a man who has a big point to prove in football management…

He’s been extremely vocal and a big advocate for increasing the level of diversity at the senior level of the game and will inevitably view his own development in that wider context.

As a character, I’d say he’s streets ahead of Critchley and the other potential candidates we’ve discussed. I would have no doubt in his ability and that he has all the attributes to succeed.

It would be a risk of course and possibly a risk that you might prefer to take in L1 as opposed to the Championship…. I suppose much might hinge on how influential a part he has actually played at Derby, behind a bloke who was largely a figurehead.

Worth a watch to get a feel for the bloke…

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Not to forget nice smile, great teeth and lovely skin. According ro my daughters that is 👍
 
Insider said:
I suppose you could compare him to Rooney in moving straight from playing to managing. That's worked well enough unless of course it's down to Liam.
The difference for me though is that Rosenior has grown up in a football family learning from his Dad.
Also if you believe that article he's been studying coaching since he was a boy.
He just ticks so many boxes that I think will impress the same people that were impressed by Quitchley.
I've no idea who he would want as his no. 2 (his Dad?) but I think we should move Garrity on. I don't know enough about Brunskill.
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Correct, except he's not gone straight into management. He's had four years coaching and then doing a lot of the day to day stuff under Rooney at Brighton and Derby, and been very well thought of and successful throughout.. you're dead right about his background and upbringing. He's been steeped in the coaching side of the game from a very young age. I'm sure he will have his own ideas about a number two 👍
 
voyeur said:
Every manager option is a risk. Critchley was. Larry was. Holloway was. But the risk varies. Critch had many years coaching experience at Crewe and Liverpool and had worked in a shit hot coaching regime with top players and knew all the talented academy rejects. Well, the Everton ones at least.

Rosenior might be an inspirationally brilliant choice for all I know. I just don't see enough evidence. He's not long out of playing, it seems too soon to be head coach at Championship level, to me. A playing career can teach people stuff but many footballers prove to be absolutely clueless in terms of coaching and managing people. Rosenior may be different. He would need an experienced mentor IMO.
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A playing career can definitely teach people stuff. Especially when you've always had an interest in coaching and player development, like he has. He's not some brainless career plodder who said, at the end of his playing days 'Oh well, might as well try my luck at managing now. It looks dead easy'. But hey, he's not going to be everyone's cup of tea. 👍 😀
 
The way he speaks and his insight belies his age
He talks like a top coach would
Very comfortable in front of the camera and very articulate
I think he would command respect from his players despite his youth
He just seems perfect to me but again I’m only a football fan don’t know him or know anyone who does.
I’m sure the interviewers will get a proper measure of him and assess and compare him to the other candidates who may be equally if not more impressive
Assuming he’s applied and on the shortlist of course 🤣
 
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NewburyOne said:
I'd be delighted with Rosenior, he may not have been a Head Coach but it is the next step. He has something Evatt and Duff also don't, recent in depth knowledge of the Championship. Think of all the research and preparation from last season, maybe links to attract some of the Derby kids as well.
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Plus he will have been party to Derbys talent search of lower league gems knowing the probability of relegation.

Don’t forget we’ve also still got our existing support coaching and assistant team unless they’re also on their way to Villa
 
BigHandsOliverKahn said:
Abandoned after one set of graduations!!!

Seems like an over-hyped thing. There is a detailed article here about the 16 who did the course. Not heard of most of them and one got sacked by Grimsby.

Elite Bollox
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I think as in other walks of life there isn’t a direct correlation between how qualified someone is and how good they actually are at the job.

The more I think about Critch’s time, I think he has the ability to get a starting 11 spot on to a tee. But also to get it fairly badly wrong. But crucially for me 9/10 he lacked the ability to effect a game by making tweaks, changes etc. I may be proved wrong but I can’t think of many times he made a change which led to the match turning? Maybe Reading away, but they were as awful as we were first half.

If LR has the ability to set up a side effectively, as Derby did mainly against the odds last season, as well as the ability to see what needs changing we may even end up with an upgrade of Critch.
 
Lanc_seasider said:
I think as in other walks of life there isn’t a direct correlation between how qualified someone is and how good they actually are at the job.

The more I think about Critch’s time, I think he has the ability to get a starting 11 spot on to a tee. But also to get it fairly badly wrong. But crucially for me 9/10 he lacked the ability to effect a game by making tweaks, changes etc. I may be proved wrong but I can’t think of many times he made a change which led to the match turning? Maybe Reading away, but they were as awful as we were first half.

If LR has the ability to set up a side effectively, as Derby did mainly against the odds last season, as well as the ability to see what needs changing we may even end up with an upgrade of Critch.
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Only 2 issue's I have are
1. If he is successful I don't thing it would be long before bigger clubs come sniffing..
2.. liam rosenior Tangerine army is a mouthful...
 
It's the old problem, the more successful someone is, the more attention they'll likely get. We've had plenty of managers (and players) who nobody wanted except koko, and he'd be the first to offer to drive them to their new job if could get a few quid compo.
 
tangible said:
Four years coaching experience at a high level and UEFA A Qualified. That not enough? I'd just say he's better qualified than crotch was and hes actually worked with senior team players, unlike crotch.
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And has actually played the game and at a decent level, unlike Cringely.
 
Well I ready myself for the on slaught of insults lol 🙈🥴 lol
why is it I don’t feel he be the right man for pool and everyone else’s does 🤷
I think it be a very poor decision, my opinion thou
it’s different being a head coach than a number 2
 
Tangerine Manc said:
Well I ready myself for the on slaught of insults lol 🙈🥴 lol
why is it I don’t feel he be the right man for pool and everyone else’s does 🤷
I think it be a very poor decision, my opinion thou
it’s different being a head coach than a number 2
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No onslaught from me. It’s one of those situations that’s completely unexpected. We are all going off gut feelings and will have different perspectives. I initially favoured Warburton but it doesn’t seem to be a goer from the little that’s out there. I’ve warmed greatly to Rosenior but tomorrow maybe different. I’ve never done this many google searches before, seeing what the names involved have done in their careers.
 
This is Ska said:
No onslaught from me. It’s one of those situations that’s completely unexpected. We are all going off gut feelings and will have different perspectives. I initially favoured Warburton but it doesn’t seem to be a goer from the little that’s out there. I’ve warmed greatly to Rosenior but tomorrow maybe different. I’ve never done this many google searches before, seeing what the names involved have done in their careers.
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Feel the same here. None of us know which way it'll go because at the start of last week we had a head coach and weren't looking for a new one.

I think we can try to second-guess what they're looking for though with the structure that's already in place.

It's actually woken me up from my slumber. I didn't make it to many games last season but when I did it seemed very samey. My bad luck I guess but it took me until the end of Feb just to see a goal from open play. So Critchley could have either done us a favour whilst doing himself one, or we'll end up looking back on his time as the glory years. There's no doubt the England DNA playing style can be effective at finding a way around what you don't have, but I find it to be almost like football but not for the eyes of the people watching it. Like it could just be played out on the training ground and then check the results after. Rather than having to sit through the routines and how they went about it. Maybe if you did all 46 you feel different but the club bigging up the crowd atmosphere reminded me of how they have to play music and have fancy dress to try and make darts look fun.
 
Had more reservations about him when he first came on our radar due to him being such a new coach and not having too much direct first team management, but the more I listen to him the more I am not only impressed, but convinced he could be the right man for the job.

He speaks well, but more importantly he speaks intentionally, it feels like every word that he says has purpose and direction.

The lack of experience is a worry, but if what I've read is correct (and I'm sure the board will know whether this is true or not), but he was a crucial aspects to how Derby set up and this past year I think the job that him and Rooney did at Derby was arguably manager of the season worthy simply because they had nothing to work with but made a disciplined team that would have easily stayed up if not for points deductions.

Additionally when you read about him you also can tell that it is blatantly obvious that this guy has wanted to be a manager for years now, it's his calling and he certainly will give 110% to the job if appointed. He's hungry. It always makes me have more peace of mind when I know that manager wants to be here and give their absolute everything.

He has the right ethos, is hungry to manage and has significantly helped in organizing a team that honestly had no business being competitive in any match last season.

I've warmed to the idea of having him and if Sadler and Mansford think he's the right choice then I will too.
 
Chunkylad said:
Plus he will have been party to Derbys talent search of lower league gems knowing the probability of relegation.

Don’t forget we’ve also still got our existing support coaching and assistant team unless they’re also on their way to Villa
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Suspect if Derby situation does not get resolved quickly we might cherry pick their best young talent.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
We’ve not appointed Rosenior yet, but I get the impression that (in footballing terms) he sits at the top of the pile in terms of intellect and I also think he is a man who has a big point to prove in football management…

He’s been extremely vocal and a big advocate for increasing the level of diversity at the senior level of the game and will inevitably view his own development in that wider context.

As a character, I’d say he’s streets ahead of Critchley and the other potential candidates we’ve discussed. I would have no doubt in his ability and that he has all the attributes to succeed.

It would be a risk of course and possibly a risk that you might prefer to take in L1 as opposed to the Championship…. I suppose much might hinge on how influential a part he has actually played at Derby, behind a bloke who was largely a figurehead.

Worth a watch to get a feel for the bloke…

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If you have no doubt in his ability and has all the attributes to succeed, then why is he a risk?

Just a bit confused as you contradict your statement.
 
AmericanTangerine said:
Had more reservations about him when he first came on our radar due to him being such a new coach and not having too much direct first team management, but the more I listen to him the more I am not only impressed, but convinced he could be the right man for the job.

He speaks well, but more importantly he speaks intentionally, it feels like every word that he says has purpose and direction.

The lack of experience is a worry, but if what I've read is correct (and I'm sure the board will know whether this is true or not), but he was a crucial aspects to how Derby set up and this past year I think the job that him and Rooney did at Derby was arguably manager of the season worthy simply because they had nothing to work with but made a disciplined team that would have easily stayed up if not for points deductions.

Additionally when you read about him you also can tell that it is blatantly obvious that this guy has wanted to be a manager for years now, it's his calling and he certainly will give 110% to the job if appointed. He's hungry. It always makes me have more peace of mind when I know that manager wants to be here and give their absolute everything.

He has the right ethos, is hungry to manage and has significantly helped in organizing a team that honestly had no business being competitive in any match last season.

I've warmed to the idea of having him and if Sadler and Mansford think he's the right choice then I will too.
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Also, one thing that doesn't seemed to have been mentioned (apologies if it has), is that Rosenior has played the game. If I'm correct, Critchley only played one professional game, and that was with Crewe.
 
Bend it like Suddick said:
Also, one thing that doesn't seemed to have been mentioned (apologies if it has), is that Rosenior has played the game. If I'm correct, Critchley only played one professional game, and that was with Crewe.
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Yep, Rosenior played over 400 games in both the Championship and the Premier League, to me, that counts almost as much as Critchley coaching for all those years before managing.

This also might not mean anything but I have always felt that the players who always make the best managers were ones who played a good amount, but were never the best players on their team (which is what Rosenior was) since that would mean that they have less of an ego and are more willing to learn.
 
He is favourite, but no real movement in odds today. Maybe it’s not cut and dried, maybe there’s a runner coming up on the rails.
 
TangerineBear said:
If you have no doubt in his ability and has all the attributes to succeed, then why is he a risk?

Just a bit confused as you contradict your statement.
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Fair point…

I’m not sure it’s contradictory…

Having ability and the attributes to succeed are one thing…Translating that into immediate success in your first Head Coach job, at Championship Level is something else….

So there’s a risk he might not be ready just yet and that an initial learning curve might put us on the back foot, but there’s also the inevitable risk that he’ll be snapped up quickly if he has sone success….

Personally, I think he’s the most exciting of the options we’ve seen… the excitement comes from the fact that he could be brilliant, but comes with some risk…

Of course, I’m not sure there’s such a thing as a risk free appointment….
 
Knowing our club there will be an outsider we haven't even heard about yet.

Rosenior now feels a bit like Evatt being available a couple of years ago. Feels too big a risk, but can guarantee in 2 years he won't be available and we will regret not going for him when we had the chance
 
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