Local MP says stop taking the knee

Spizz Tony said:
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I think it would be fair to suggest the chap on the left thinks he’s kneeling for something other than an American led BLM movement and the chap on the right is a racist prick. Either way it’s also fair to say th@t I disagree with both acts. Seeing as some on here just won’t have it is it fair to say this is also as racist as it gets 👇🏻

https://twitter.com/x/status/1402567278407950338

would any of you be ok if I used this language ? I very much doubt it. I think they call it rank hypocrisy.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
The thing with debates Lost, is that someone asks a question, expecting an answer, not a further rhetorical question. Therefore, no, it was not our turn. It was yours. My question was, do you think that Southgate is that duplicitous?
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Already answered, I've no idea what Southgate thinks privately.

What I do know is that any football player, manager or anyone else involved in the game who stuck their head above the parapet on this issue would find themselves on the receiving end of a twitterstorm from hell, probably an FA investigation and dropped by their sponsors, possibly fined by their club and dropped from the international squad, and in Southgate's case almost certainly sacked as England manager.

So if he wants to continue to pick up £3,000,000 a year he has to support it in public regardless of what he thinks in private.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Already answered, I've no idea what Southgate thinks privately.

What I do know is that any football player, manager or anyone else involved in the game who stuck their head above the parapet on this issue would find themselves on the receiving end of a twitterstorm from hell, probably an FA investigation and dropped by their sponsors, possibly fined by their club and dropped from the international squad, and in Southgate's case almost certainly sacked as England manager.

So if he wants to continue to pick up £3,000,000 a year he has to support it in public regardless of what he thinks in private.
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Except that he has put his head above the parapet with his open letter to fans.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Except that he has put his head above the parapet with his open letter to fans.
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Not really, he's taken the completely safe option of putting his name to an FA press release repeating the "acceptable line".

To put it another way, there's about 1,000 PL players holding presumably a range of opinions about TTK, but none of them appear to have said anything negative about it, they are all doing and saying what is expected and safe becuase the cost of doing anything different just isn't worth it.
 
Lost Seasider said:
Already answered, I've no idea what Southgate thinks privately.

What I do know is that any football player, manager or anyone else involved in the game who stuck their head above the parapet on this issue would find themselves on the receiving end of a twitterstorm from hell, probably an FA investigation and dropped by their sponsors, possibly fined by their club and dropped from the international squad, and in Southgate's case almost certainly sacked as England manager.

So if he wants to continue to pick up £3,000,000 a year he has to support it in public regardless of what he thinks in private.
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Of course, Southgate secretly agrees with you Lost, but he just can't say so in public in case he loses his job!

Do you realise how ridiculous that theory is in the face of all of the contrary evidence. You have still not provided a single source that supports any of your views on this.

Southgate has said in his statement of yesterday;

Why would you tag someone in on a conversation that is abusive?

Why would you choose to insult somebody for something as ridiculous as the colour of their skin?

Why?

Unfortunately for those people that engage in that kind of behaviour, I have some bad news. You’re on the losing side. It’s clear to me that we are heading for a much more tolerant and understanding society, and I know our lads will be a big part of that.

It might not feel like it at times, but it’s true. The awareness around inequality and the discussions on race have gone to a different level in the last 12 months alone.

I am confident that young kids of today will grow up baffled by old attitudes and ways of thinking.

For many of that younger generation, your notion of Englishness is quite different from my own. I understand that, too.

Completely unequivocal.

Anyway I'll leave this for you;

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I'm out of this one.
 
Scaramanga said:
I think it would be fair to suggest the chap on the left thinks he’s kneeling for something other than an American led BLM movement and the chap on the right is a racist prick. Either way it’s also fair to say th@t I disagree with both acts. Seeing as some on here just won’t have it is it fair to say this is also as racist as it gets 👇🏻

https://twitter.com/x/status/1402567278407950338

would any of you be ok if I used this language ? I very much doubt it. I think they call it rank hypocrisy.
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Not that I would personally boo but Rio thinks people who don't agree need educating. As usual the BBC turn off commenting.
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'Ignorant minority need educating'

The people booing England players taking a knee are an "ignorant minority" who need "educating", says former England captain Rio Ferdinand.
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Yourfathersgun said:
Brave from local MP who I usually don't like. What do we think?

www.conservativehome.com

Scott Benton: It's time for England's football team to stop taking the knee | Conservative Home

I’ll always passionately support the side - but both it and the FA risk alienating the majority of decent football fans.
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So by implication are the people applauding taking the knee 'indecent'. And does this guy actually ever go to matches is he even a football fan. And there's nothing brave about this statement at all. What's brave about it when he knows tossers like the prime minister support him
 
I’m sure some of the deep thinkers in the England squad like the Big Harrys, Pickford etc have discussed the pros and cons of the issue before making their stand.
 
brightontangerine said:
So by implication are the people applauding taking the knee 'indecent'. And does this guy actually ever go to matches is he even a football fan. And there's nothing brave about this statement at all. What's brave about it when he knows tossers like the prime minister support him
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Mr Benton is a Spurs season ticket holder.

He’s also a member of the private members’ Carlton Club in London.

So loads in common with Blackpool South.
 
Mike_BFC said:
It is connected to BLM, no matter what they say. If they did a Nazi salute (like England were forced to do pre WW2) and said “it’s not connected” I’m sure boos would also ring out.

Why don’t they try a different gesture for tackling racism and see if the fans boo that? If they do, they’re racists, keep fighting. If they don’t, it would suggest the BLM/Marxist kneeling is the problem.
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Like the Hungarian team, they have a "RESPECT" badge on their sleeves and point to it before kick-off.
 
Memphisboy said:
I’m sure some of the deep thinkers in the England squad like the Big Harrys, Pickford etc have discussed the pros and cons of the issue before making their stand.
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I suspect they know more about this issue than you do about what makes a good striker.
 
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EagleDay said:
Like the Hungarian team, they have a "RESPECT" badge on their sleeves and point to it before kick-off.
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The World Cup in Qatar will probably have some sort of lgbt element. I presume that means Qatar is a tolerant country that fully respects individuals right to choice.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Mr Benton is a Spurs season ticket holder.

He’s also a member of the private members’ Carlton Club in London.

So loads in common with Blackpool South.
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Now now mex. According to his lapdog on social media ( councillor for Squires Gate) Mr Benton is a real Blackpool fan after blagging a ticket for the Oxford game. He informs me that you can wholeheartedly support two teams.
 
What has he done locally,cant think of anything with a positive outcome. Better MP needed for the south of this town. Never hear from Maynard, the town must have no problems.
 
straightatthewall said:
The World Cup in Qatar will probably have some sort of lgbt element. I presume that means Qatar is a tolerant country that fully respects individuals right to choice.
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So what you are implying is, if some disagree with the knee and choose to take some other stance against racism in the sport you still consider them to be racist, am I correct?
 
EagleDay said:
So what you are implying is, if some disagree with the knee and choose to take some other stance against racism in the sport you still consider them to be racist, am I correct?
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Bit of a stretch that one, how many people booing are taking 'some other stance'?
 
Mike_BFC said:
It is connected to BLM, no matter what they say. If they did a Nazi salute (like England were forced to do pre WW2) and said “it’s not connected” I’m sure boos would also ring out.

Why don’t they try a different gesture for tackling racism and see if the fans boo that? If they do, they’re racists, keep fighting. If they don’t, it would suggest the BLM/Marxist kneeling is the problem.
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When it comes to making really jaw droppingly crass comparisons, that post is up there with the worst!
 
Yourfathersgun said:
Brave from local MP who I usually don't like. What do we think?

www.conservativehome.com

Scott Benton: It's time for England's football team to stop taking the knee | Conservative Home

I’ll always passionately support the side - but both it and the FA risk alienating the majority of decent football fans.
www.conservativehome.com www.conservativehome.com
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I think it's a brave move.

Possibly made easier after the Nottingham MP did the same the other day and after Oliver Dowden criticised the ECB regarding Ollie Robinson.

It's a still a brave move and hopefully others will have the balls to follow suit and start calling things as they see them and not how they think people want them to see things.
 
EagleDay said:
So what you are implying is, if some disagree with the knee and choose to take some other stance against racism in the sport you still consider them to be racist, am I correct?
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People who take a stance against racism in all likelihood are not racist, people who boo the taking of the knee in a football stadium probably are racist.
Seems quite straightforward to me.
 
EagleDay said:
So what you are implying is, if some disagree with the knee and choose to take some other stance against racism in the sport you still consider them to be racist, am I correct?
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Why would you need to take ‘some other stance’? I presume you’ll revert back to the ‘it’s political’ argument that was never credible to start with and has been comprehensively debunked by those who are actually deciding what they will or won’t do.

It’s a very simple situation. And the message trying to be delivered is one that is positive. It’s not controversial. It’s not about Marxism or defunding the police or any other bollox. It’s simply about equality and should be supported by anyone who agrees that treating people differently based on the colour of their skin is wrong.
 
straightatthewall said:
It’s a very simple situation. And the message trying to be delivered is one that is positive. It’s not controversial. It’s not about Marxism or defunding the police or any other bollox. It’s simply about equality and should be supported by anyone who agrees that treating people differently based on the colour of their skin is wrong.
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This is it in a nutshell. And the people on here who try to argue differently are always on every thread where there is any hint of a race angle, there are three or four of the usual suspects on this page.

I'd have more respect for these people if they were just honest about their views, instead of giving us this stead drip feed of poisonous bollocks every time they get a chance.
 
Scaramanga said:
well that’s clearly a very ignorant way of looking at it. Your clearly only able to view the two with a blinkered idea.
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Booing a stance against racism sounds like the act of a racist to me, but they may have a very valid reason for booing a peaceful gesture which I would be interested to hear.
 
gjr69 said:
Booing a stance against racism sounds like the act of a racist to me, but they may have a very valid reason for booing a peaceful gesture which I would be interested to hear.
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No they/you only think it’s a stance against racism. Some think it’s about something else. It’s perfectly reasonable to think racism is abhorrent and taking the knee is utter shite without actually being racist.
 
Scotland won’t be taking the knee in euros either. Damn those pesky Scottish racists.
 
Scotland announced they won't be taking the knee.

It annoyed me a bit last year when statues were being torn down and the cenotaph in Whitehall was being defaced but I'm not bothered enough to boo it as it's largely irrelevant now. It's dying a death of it's own accord.
 
Scaramanga said:
No they/you only think it’s a stance against racism. Some think it’s about something else. It’s perfectly reasonable to think racism is abhorrent and taking the knee is utter shite without actually being racist.
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Southgate said in his letter what it was about.
 
Why don't we just deport all people who have dark skin and then this taking the knee stuff will go away? I suggest a dulux colour chart to determine who is deported back to bongo bongo land.
 
Shandypants said:
Why don't we just deport all people who have dark skin and then this taking the knee stuff will go away? I suggest a dulux colour chart to determine who is deported back to bongo bongo land.
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What the actual fuck are you talking about ? You are really troubled and are a major part of what’s wrong here. Talk about talking utter shite.
 
gjr69 said:
Not racist to not do it, not racist to think it has no place in football, probably is racist to openly boo it in a football stadium.
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So should we all not just agree that linking arms and carrying the message of respect would be better than taking the knee. Hence no booing and everyone is united and the division is gone.
 
dodgy_surname said:
Any race colour religion continent hemisphere 👍
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Does two Jamaican Uncles (they came over in the '50's) and seven mixed race cousins, two of which were bridesmaids at our marriage 51 years ago count? And my Uncle Edley visited my father whilst he was dying more than any other mamber of our family. Now, any more irrelevant questions?
 
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