Madine

Good enough to lead the line this season?

  • Yes

    Votes: 123 61.2%

  • No

    Votes: 78 38.8%
  • Total voters
    201
KingZobo said:
there's counter arguments to why madine is good. His shithousery, good at set pieces, good leader, great with the young players, good hold up play but you simply cannot make an argument for that he's a great presser, self admittedly he knows he isn't.
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We gave no one else to play the roll Gaz plays at the moment.
Will Beesley take over that mantle?
Only time will tell, upto then it'll be Gaz leading the line
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I think he's important in the same way Keogh is, mature heads, wind up the opposition, don't take any shit and stop us being pushovers, he's also a handful.

Probably should have done better with his header today but he was tiring, apart from that he was fine.
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There is the problem, he can do other stuff but as a centre forward he isn't very good at scoring goals, we need a mobile, pacy physical striker that can finish. The 1.2 for Branagan probably needs to be spent on this man, whoever he is!!!
 
gjr69 said:
Madine isn't good enough for the championship neither is Yates or Lavery, don't like to say it but that is the truth.
Ideal scenario we bring in two forwards better than what we have.
In defence of Madine, and I never thought I would say this, but as things stand he has to start. But he probably won't score or assist.
Football can be weird like that!
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I agree with you, I think as does Appleton with our bids for Bishop & Simms in the last two weeks.

Hope Yates can make the LW spot his own, definitely a player in him but haven't seen him do enough at this level to convince me. Could be different with Fiorini who can actually pick a pass.
 
KingZobo said:
We only play with one striker though? I'm really surprised, we'll see, he did have that amazing blip of form last year.
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Is it only one striker though, I'm not sure, it looks like 3 strikers to me although with a target man in the middle, the midfield should be feeding the ball through to all 3, we aren't as wide as we were last season, I am hoping all 3 up front will contribute plenty of goals with more from midfield to.
 
I couldn't quite work out the attacking strategy today.
Gaz was solo up top, whilst Jerry was lying deep assisting Connolly and Josh started on the wing, then I could see MA instructed him to push inside. They didn't really provide Gaz with many goal scoring passes (one header).
Finding a fast moving, natural goal scoring striker like Super Bret or DJ (excluding PL strikers) is really difficult. Gig Gaz is as good as most in this division.
 
585 = never give up said:
I couldn't quite work out the attacking strategy today.
Gaz was solo up top, whilst Jerry was lying deep assisting Connolly and Josh started on the wing, then I could see MA instructed him to push inside. They didn't really provide Gaz with many goal scoring passes (one header).
Finding a fast moving, natural goal scoring striker like Super Bret or DJ (excluding PL strikers) is really difficult. Gig Gaz is as good as most in this division.
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8 goals a season from your main striker when they're on pens isn't as good as most in the division though?
 
For someone I thought would be a proper wrongun, upset everyone and just toss it off to the end of his contract when he first came back here he's turned out to be the complete opposite. I had him down for lasting about ten seconds in the same room as Critchley too. So I think it's clicked with him after the last injury that it's a short-ish career. Turned 30 and grown up maybe. He seems to genuinely love being here and maybe NC has made him think about coaching and stuff like that too. The bigger picture.

So it'll be when the club get themselves in a position to evolve the squad, which they can't seem to crack yet when it comes to reasonably-sized starting eleven upgrades. He's an asset but he's not doing 15 goals and 5 direct assists or anything like that. But we know that already. He's the guy who drops in, uses his size and skill on the ball and gets moves going, like Lavery's winner against Millwall last season.
 
KingZobo said:
there's something in there with lavery, I wouldn't want to sell him.
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I know what you mean, it's the same with Yates, sell them and you just know they will score 20 goals in a season. I'm nt sure it's the players, I think its the tactics and until they are got right we are going to struggle for goals. If Appleton cracks it then the goals will come from the strikers we have.
 
hertfordseasider said:
Is it only one striker though, I'm not sure, it looks like 3 strikers to me although with a target man in the middle, the midfield should be feeding the ball through to all 3, we aren't as wide as we were last season, I am hoping all 3 up front will contribute plenty of goals with more from midfield to.
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Get the right players and the formation works, as it stands we have 4 4 2 forwards, we need players effective in a 4 3 3.
Maybe lose Madine and Hamilton and bring in two better options, easier said than done though.
As it stands Appleton has to make what he has work and not be too dogmatic about 4 3 3.
Critchleys strength was making the best of what he had can Appleton do that?
 
Tbf I have said for a while Madine is not the answer up top
Yes today he chested some balls down but he looks leggy from the first minute
We need better to progress
Yes a squad player but not in the first 11
 
hertfordseasider said:
I know what you mean, it's the same with Yates, sell them and you just know they will score 20 goals in a season. I'm nt sure it's the players, I think its the tactics and until they are got right we are going to struggle for goals. If Appleton cracks it then the goals will come from the strikers we have.
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I think Lavery & Yates with a good run of games could do well but they don't perform particularly well enough to warrant a run of games. Catch 22
 
KingZobo said:
I agree with you, I think as does Appleton with our bids for Bishop & Simms in the last two weeks.

Hope Yates can make the LW spot his own, definitely a player in him but haven't seen him do enough at this level to convince me. Could be different with Fiorini who can actually pick a pass.
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Not sure that Yates did enough on the left of the three today but you don't write somebody off after one game and you can't question his effort and attitude.
 
gjr69 said:
Not sure that Yates did enough on the left of the three today but you don't write somebody off after one game and you can't question his effort and attitude.
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I want it to work for Jerry, might take time to adapt to a new position.
 
KingZobo said:
I think Lavery & Yates with a good run of games could do well but they don't perform particularly well enough to warrant a run of games. Catch 22
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I don't think the tactics, last season and today suit their style of play, they need to be up there getting in the box and that is something the coaches need to work out if they are going to stick with a 433. Bowler was great on the right, he could have had a hat trick today, but Yates or Lavery hasn't got the ball skills Bowler has. If we got Morgan Rogers for instance and we have this lad from Wolves, they are going to be more like Bowler so the likes of Yates, Madine and Lavery will be fighting for the central role. The full backs are also really important because they are going to push forward so the left and right side forwards need to know how to support them. It's one game in, if we can get it to work then it will be great.
 
gjr69 said:
Not sure that Yates did enough on the left of the three today but you don't write somebody off after one game and you can't question his effort and attitude.
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Jerry appeared to have been instructed to play more of a defensive midfield position, supporting Conolly - I couldn't workout MA's attacking plan!
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
I think he's important in the same way Keogh is, mature heads, wind up the opposition, don't take any shit and stop us being pushovers, he's also a handful.

Probably should have done better with his header today but he was tiring, apart from that he was fine.
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Theres probably something in that. I'm not his biggest fan but on balance a decent game today.
 
KingZobo said:
8 goals a season from your main striker when they're on pens isn't as good as most in the division though?
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Good enough to keep us up last season. And for me Gary offers far more than simply scoring goals. None of our strikers were hardly pulling up trees last season were they? None of them got any service for the most part.
 
gjr69 said:
But he probably won't score or assist.
Football can be weird like that!
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Did he do lots of physicality though? Bet the Reading defenders are gutted he did more physicality than them yesterday.
 
Grayth said:
He didn't run once? He didn't run? Once? Not one time did he run?

So if I watch the replay of the game tomorrow on Tangerine TV, I won't see Gary Madine run? Once?

Not on one occasion?
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You won't see him make a run on to a through ball and that is the major problem with him, the secondary problem is he isn't much of a finisher either.
As things stand he has to play but he is nowhere near good enough, I think most championship centre backs will be happy coming up against him.
 
tangible said:
Let's put it this way. If Reading had Madine in their side they would have drawn, at least, today. Thank God he's a seasider!
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Why would they have drawn or better, no way that Madine would have got on the end of their crosses and passes. This is his and our problem, lack of pace and mobility.
 
Macseasider said:
Good enough to keep us up last season. And for me Gary offers far more than simply scoring goals. None of our strikers were hardly pulling up trees last season were they? None of them got any service for the most part.
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Depends if you want to finish 16th every year. Yeah I'm by no way one of those people shouting about King Jerry either.
 
WIZARD OF TANGERINE said:
Or Ronaldo ,or Pogba, or why are we comparing to a Sunderland player
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Hi Wizard,

Thought it was pretty obvious. Made the Simms reference as we were in for his last week, not sure we were in for Pogba or Ronaldo, perhaps you're more in the know than me.

My point was if we signed him there'd be no one saying let madine run the line.
 
Tangerine Pip said:
And the last 20 he wasn’t on yesterday the team sat deep and very much were weaker without him
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that wasn't the turning point, it was most the 2nd half we sat back as Madine was chasing nothing down and we couldn't press high.

I thought the subs are the end were what saved us with a boost of energy.
 
He’s in the best shape of his life apparently, lowest weight so every credit for that.

We do need another central striker though, big, physical and mobile, someone like Madine but also one who can play on the shoulder to be slid in and give our midfield options to play forwards.
Not easy to find though granted.
 
Sorry he's not good enough for the championship. He might put himself about and win a few ball but at the end of the day he's a centre forward. He is not mobile enough and doesn't score enough goals. Two good heading chances today a lot of tall centre forwards would love and he fluffed both of them.
 
not interested in a vote where the o/p thought he'd get a landslide win but seemingly he's lost.

Fact is as I told him last night a marking of four was disgraceful. He had a good game yesterday for what he does. And it seems the majority on here agree that he did..
 
Adams Kebab said:
He’s in the best shape of his life apparently, lowest weight so every credit for that.

We do need another central striker though, big, physical and mobile, someone like Madine but also one who can play on the shoulder to be slid in and give our midfield options to play forwards.
Not easy to find though granted.
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Beesley could be that player. See how he gets on when he is back from injury
 
Simonized said:
You really have to question the mentality of successive head coaches to keep selecting him if he is as shit as some people are making out 🧐🙄😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫😵‍💫
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It's a problem position that hasn't been sorted. Until it is he will continue to be picked. My guess is he won't be with us next season and he won't get in any top 6 league 1 teams which should tell you something.
But as things stand he probably has to be picked.
 
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20togo said:
not interested in a vote where the o/p thought he'd get a landslide win but seemingly he's lost.

Fact is as I told him last night a marking of four was disgraceful. He had a good game yesterday for what he does. And it seems the majority on here agree that he did..
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not interested but you're still commenting, ok.
 
KingZobo said:
If Appleton thought that he wouldn't have gone in for Bishop & Simms. I simply asked a question to get fellow seasiders opinions on it. I've said a lot of good things about Madine.
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We need two players for every position that's why we went for those two if Gary gets injured which is likely at some point of the season we are left with Jerry or Shane up top in the three and I ain't seen nothing yet to convince me they can play there.
Appleton won't have seen anything of Beesley but no way is he an improvement on Gaz who had a good game yesterday but faded towards the end it would have been nice to have a like for like replacement but we ended up with an out of sorts Irishman.
 
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