Madine

Good enough to lead the line this season?

  • Yes

    Votes: 123 61.2%
  • No

    Votes: 78 38.8%

  • Total voters
    201
You won't see him make a run on to a through ball and that is the major problem with him, the secondary problem is he isn't much of a finisher either.
As things stand he has to play but he is nowhere near good enough, I think most championship centre backs will be happy coming up against him.
Instead of looking at what he doesn't do, look at what he does do. From throw-ins he gets his head to the ball every time in order to lay-off the someone else. If there is then a need to exchange short, quick passes to free up space he can do it. No, I don't see a twenty goal man in Madine but I do see someone who can keep the phases moving in an attack.
 
not interested but you're still commenting, ok.
not interested in voting myself like I said but as per usual enjoy reading threads and it's pretty clear that most thought Madine did well yesterday. Which of course you were hoping most people would say he didn't. Your marking of 4 was done with a closed and pre determined mindset. That is blatantly obvious.
 
I don’t like Madine up top on his own, but some people don’t appreciate what he offers at the other end of the pitch. He’s also a nuisance to defend against even if he isn’t going to outrun a centre back. His all round contribution shouldn’t be underestimated.
 
I don’t like Madine up top on his own, but some people don’t appreciate what he offers at the other end of the pitch. He’s also a nuisance to defend against even if he isn’t going to outrun a centre back. His all round contribution shouldn’t be underestimated.
So if you don't like him on his own do you think he should lead the line as our sole striker? Even though you rate his contribution (as do I)
 
not interested in voting myself like I said but as per usual enjoy reading threads and it's pretty clear that most thought Madine did well yesterday. Which of course you were hoping most people would say he didn't. Your marking of 4 was done with a closed and pre determined mindset. That is blatantly obvious.
I wasn't hoping for anything, this poll means nothing, was just interested to see if people think he's a strong enough forward to play on his own in our 433 system and lead the line. I think some people, like yourself, have misread the question is Madine shit or not which wasn't what was asked.
 
Okay, so things we know

1. We play 4-4-3 with one lone striker, not only yesterday but all of pre-season
2. Appleton has tried to sign Bishop & Simms to fill that lone striker role
Because he knows Madine can't play a whole season up top on his own we need two for every position so we need cover as Yates and Lavery don't seem to be able to play there.
Still time to bring someone in.
 
Because he knows Madine can't play a whole season up top on his own we need two for every position so we need cover as Yates and Lavery don't seem to be able to play there.
Still time to bring someone in.
exactly my point, I don't think Madine can lead the line, more of an impact player last 20 mins.
 
As said on the ‘wrong’ thread - not sure what Simms has to do with anything. He doesn’t play for us.

As for GazMads, he’s the best we currently have at the role he plays. If we were able to get someone faster, more mobile and with more goals then great; but we’re competing against every other club in the country for that type of player.
 
I wasn't hoping for anything, this poll means nothing, was just interested to see if people think he's a strong enough forward to play on his own in our 433 system and lead the line. I think some people, like yourself, have misread the question is Madine shit or not which wasn't what was asked.
Okay, so things we know

1. We play 4-4-3 with one lone striker, not only yesterday but all of pre-season
2. Appleton has tried to sign Bishop & Simms to fill that lone striker role


There's a difference between leading the line and being the sole middle man in a 4-3-3. I've said for a while now and loads of times recently that as a lone middle man it doesn't work. But we didn't play that way yesterday so I don't get why you say we did. Yates got a lot closer to him than any wide men like Anderson would. Madine was winning plenty of aerial ball and on his chest too and Yates was close enough to him to get on the end of his headers and passes.

But I still come back to the point and you doing the poll proves it. You really don't like/rate Madine [that's fine] but your intention was to hope people agreed with you. And your marking of 4 for his performance yesterday was clearly pre-determined by that view. Pretty much most people said he had a very decent game yesterday.
 
Okay, so things we know

1. We play 4-4-3 with one lone striker, not only yesterday but all of pre-season
2. Appleton has tried to sign Bishop & Simms to fill that lone striker role
I can’t see what’s wrong with playing Jerry there, many teams do have a big, traditional centre forward, Liverpool and Ma City for example, although City now have Haarland, but all their successful years have been with the likes of Aguero.
 
There's a difference between leading the line and being the sole middle man in a 4-3-3. I've said for a while now and loads of times recently that as a lone middle man it doesn't work. But we didn't play that way yesterday so I don't get why you say we did. Yates got a lot closer to him than any wide men like Anderson would. Madine was winning plenty of aerial ball and on his chest too and Yates was close enough to him to get on the end of his headers and passes.

But I still come back to the point and you doing the poll proves it. You really don't like/rate Madine [that's fine] but your intention was to hope people agreed with you. And your marking of 4 for his performance yesterday was clearly pre-determined by that view. Pretty much most people said he had a very decent game yesterday.
the best teams play 4-3-3 with a lone middle man. Yates was LW with the instruction to cut inside.

Your second paragraph you're telling me what my opinion is and why I did something = literally pushing your own agenda.
 
I can’t see what’s wrong with playing Jerry there, many teams do have a big, traditional centre forward, Liverpool and Ma City for example, although City now have Haarland, but all their successful years have been with the likes of Aguero.
I thought Jez looked good on the LW to be honest, maybe slacks defensively but a good game.

I'd prefer to see Lav as the sole striker chasing down defenders and keeping us pressed high up the pitch. I think Fiorini would be able to see Laverys runs better than last season too.
 
I thought Jez looked good on the LW to be honest, maybe slacks defensively but a good game.

I'd prefer to see Lav as the sole striker chasing down defenders and keeping us pressed high up the pitch. I think Fiorini would be able to see Laverys runs better than last season too.
Shane looks overweight and has slowed down and wouldn't win anything in the air which we might have to do, a bit route one against the better sides.
 
Why would they have drawn or better, no way that Madine would have got on the end of their crosses and passes. This is his and our problem, lack of pace and mobility.
What GM does have is the ability to create mayhem in the box and draw defenders towards him, thus creating space for others. That's what he does for us, and Reading didn't have a player like that. If they did I feel they would have got more out of the game. (In my opinion)
 
I thought Jez looked good on the LW to be honest, maybe slacks defensively but a good game.

I'd prefer to see Lav as the sole striker chasing down defenders and keeping us pressed high up the pitch. I think Fiorini would be able to see Laverys runs better than last season too.
Do you not think we need anyone over 5ft 9” up front. That would kind of rule out the need for any sort of crossing as Yates and Lavery aren’t going to win many headers against 6ft + defenders.

I think if our crossing was of a better standard (it’s generally been poor) Gaz would get a lot more goals.
 
I was anti Madine when we signed him and I stayed that way for a while, as I would prefer greater mobility and better finishing up front and that is what will happen when we find somebody. Simms usurped him for a while. But I believe Critch did a great job on him, he got into his head and changed his whole mentality. Recycled him. He now works really hard, smiles and laughs, stays fit and influences the other players in a very positive way. He loves what he is doing. Opposition views tend to be more positive than those of some of our fans. Yesterday...

McIntyre 7.5 Given a right run-around by Madine but coped well. (From Berkshire Live player ratings)

Gary Madine bullied Morrison up there last season, the CB pairing doesn`t fill me with confidence. (Reading forum)
 
Madine played well yesterday, and I've no problem him starting. But I do think we probably need someone more mobile in that role, and clearly with the club trying to sign Bishop and then Simms, the club feel the same.
 
the best teams play 4-3-3 with a lone middle man. Yates was LW with the instruction to cut inside.

Your second paragraph you're telling me what my opinion is and why I did something = literally pushing your own agenda.

I thought Jez looked good on the LW to be honest, maybe slacks defensively but a good game.

I'd prefer to see Lav as the sole striker chasing down defenders and keeping us pressed high up the pitch. I think Fiorini would be able to see Laverys runs better than last season too.
but it is your opinion that he's shit -it's blatantly obvious!

And for fuckssake he didn't play on the left wing in the way a normal left winger does. He played a lot closer to Madine than any normal left winger does. And the overwhelming majority of our fans thought he played well yesterday. It's not just me telling you that. Your marking of 4 was as I said was based on your prejudice against him.Were you at the game?
 
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Hi Wizard,

Thought it was pretty obvious. Made the Simms reference as we were in for his last week, not sure we were in for Pogba or Ronaldo, perhaps you're more in the know than me.

My point was if we signed him there'd be no one saying let madine run the line.
Hi ,but being in for him ,is not signing him . The question was ,is Madine good enough and from yesterdays display ,I would say yes. Although last season there were times I would have replaced him . Like any other player ,you have good games and you have bad.
 
Instead of looking at what he doesn't do, look at what he does do. From throw-ins he gets his head to the ball every time in order to lay-off the someone else. If there is then a need to exchange short, quick passes to free up space he can do it. No, I don't see a twenty goal man in Madine but I do see someone who can keep the phases moving in an attack.
I do look at what he does do, that's why I have said in the current squad he has to start. The problem is he isn't suited to a 4 3 3, the fact that we tried to sign Bishop and Simms tells us that Appleton and the recruitment team think the same.
Hopefully we soon get the man who can play centrally in a 4 3 3 and Madine becomes a plan C option.
 
What GM does have is the ability to create mayhem in the box and draw defenders towards him, thus creating space for others. That's what he does for us, and Reading didn't have a player like that. If they did I feel they would have got more out of the game. (In my opinion)
OK, so it's the fault of all the other forwards and midfield players for not capitalising on the mayhem?
I really don't see it but like you say we all have our own opinions.👍
 
Do you not think we need anyone over 5ft 9” up front. That would kind of rule out the need for any sort of crossing as Yates and Lavery aren’t going to win many headers against 6ft + defenders.

I think if our crossing was of a better standard (it’s generally been poor) Gaz would get a lot more goals.
Nah I don't think size matters in a No.9

Owen, Aguero, DJ Campbell wasn't massive either.
 
but it is your opinion that he's shit -it's blatantly obvious!

And for fuckssake he didn't play on the left wing in the way a normal left winger does. He played a lot closer to Madine than any normal left winger does. And the overwhelming majority of our fans thought he played well yesterday. It's not just me telling you that. Your marking of 4 was as I said was based on your prejudice against him.Were you at the game?
Hi Tofu

Please stop telling me what my own opinion is. It's not how it works.

I was at the game yes, I assume you followed it on BBC live text?
 
Hi ,but being in for him ,is not signing him . The question was ,is Madine good enough and from yesterdays display ,I would say yes. Although last season there were times I would have replaced him . Like any other player ,you have good games and you have bad.
No being in for someone isn't signing them but putting offers in for both is saying enough.

Similar to there's no way Carey would have started if we got Brannagan, it doesn't mean Appleton loves Carey.
 
Did quite well yesterday, but let's see when the 3 games a week kicks in. Personally if he plays, it's for 70mins, but as long as there's height in the team, he'd be better coming on at 70 and putting himself about.
 
So if you don't like him on his own do you think he should lead the line as our sole striker? Even though you rate his contribution (as do I)
Because one of the midfielders needs to get closer to him, but they don’t.
 
Hi Tofu

Please stop telling me what my own opinion is. It's not how it works.

I was at the game yes, I assume you followed it on BBC live text?
You're not the sharpest tool in the box are you? I already know what your opinion is because you've stated it in the past. So yep, I can tellyou what your opinion is because you've already stated it. Like I said your mindset was already determined and caused you to give him a marking of 4 and to start the poll in the hope you'd get the overwhelming support. You didn't.

And by the way, when is Yates leaving?
 
We couldn’t afford to bring in the Madine we have now into the club, in the same way we would be unable to buy Bowler. He’s above our level and I don’t see us getting a replacement that will come in and be instantly better. Madine with his back to goal is the only player I want there, and his awareness generally is excellent. He can play a ball so quick because his brain is way ahead of the rest of our players. One touch…off we go. Appleton is going to play him alot IMO.
 
Appreciate the efforts he has made to improve his fitness,but until he adds goals and assists,the jury will remain out as to should he retain a place in forward line
 
No being in for someone isn't signing them but putting offers in for both is saying enough.

Similar to there's no way Carey would have started if we got Brannagan, it doesn't mean Appleton loves Carey.
I have got sick of hearing about Brannigan . Yates probably had better stats when they were both in the same div . So why on earth would he be straight in the team . He wouldn't
 
We couldn’t afford to bring in the Madine we have now into the club, in the same way we would be unable to buy Bowler. He’s above our level and I don’t see us getting a replacement that will come in and be instantly better. Madine with his back to goal is the only player I want there, and his awareness generally is excellent. He can play a ball so quick because his brain is way ahead of the rest of our players. One touch…off we go. Appleton is going to play him alot IMO.
Then we need to buy 2 players to go either side of him because nobody is making the most of these telling flicks and passes. No assists last season, so if Madine is good are the others nowhere near good enough?
 
I do look at what he does do, that's why I have said in the current squad he has to start. The problem is he isn't suited to a 4 3 3, the fact that we tried to sign Bishop and Simms tells us that Appleton and the recruitment team think the same.
Hopefully we soon get the man who can play centrally in a 4 3 3 and Madine becomes a plan C option.
OK.
 
I thought, along with Carey, he was weak link yesterday. Didn't win many 50/50 balls, weak effort for a header which was a great chance and didn't offer much IMHO. Simms would have walked in to that position.
 
His introduction last year defined a change in our fortunes. However, playing him isolated upfront doesn’t work. Appleton seems to understand this so let’s see what happens
 
You're not the sharpest tool in the box are you? I already know what your opinion is because you've stated it in the past. So yep, I can tellyou what your opinion is because you've already stated it. Like I said your mindset was already determined and caused you to give him a marking of 4 and to start the poll in the hope you'd get the overwhelming support. You didn't.

And by the way, when is Yates leaving?
I didn't realise you remembered every post I'd made. Love the fans.

God bless tofu
 
When he had his shirt off in those pre-season training videos I was impressed at how ripped and lean he was ... and yet for a tall lad who is clearly looking after himself, he doesn't actually win many balls up top. Bit of a rusty start and better to come or is that where he's at?
 
The header really was poor and some of you are being kind to say the least. My problem is when he does knock the ball down his lack of movement often leaves us without a number 9 in the box.
 
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