One for the gammons .... enjoy

"We want something for our vote" .
"We want to be heard and our agenda to be prioritized"
"to begin the immediate work of Black liberation"

That all sounds a bit sinister. And not even a mention of defunding the police yet. Clearly no ambition of mere equality there.
 
They will be disappointed just like all the lefty loons when a labour government is elected. You see the truth is, very little changes, because government generally has very little impact on peoples lives.
 
No1_club said:
They will be disappointed just like all the lefty loons when a labour government is elected. You see the truth is, very little changes, because government generally has very little impact on peoples lives.
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Tell that to the tens of millions on furlough getting 80% of their money from Government, or the millions now receiving benefits after losing their jobs.

Daft thing to say.
 
Or tell that to the patients whose average waiting time for treatment to begin dropped from 3 months to 4 weeks under the last Labour government.
Or the 31% more of students achieving 5 GCSEs compared to the previous Conservative administration.
Or the million pensioners that moved out of relative poverty.
Or the million children who were no longer living in absolute poverty.
Or the better physical health of children and mental health of parents who were attending Sure Start centres-a service quickly scrapped by the conservatives when they got back into power.
Still as someone who believes profits are more important than people's lives, at least you had the shame not to post on the thread about the Thornton family destroyed by Covid who presumably you feel are just collateral damage which should not be allowed to affect business.
 
catinstalbans said:
Or tell that to the patients whose average waiting time for treatment to begin dropped from 3 months to 4 weeks under the last Labour government.
Or the 31% more of students achieving 5 GCSEs compared to the previous Conservative administration.
Or the million pensioners that moved out of relative poverty.
Or the million children who were no longer living in absolute poverty.
Or the better physical health of children and mental health of parents who were attending Sure Start centres-a service quickly scrapped by the conservatives when they got back into power.
Still as someone who believes profits are more important than people's lives, at least you had the shame not to post on the thread about the Thornton family destroyed by Covid who presumably you feel are just collateral damage which should not be allowed to affect business.
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Without taxable profits and income - how do you pay for the NHS or anything else for that matter?
 
catinstalbans said:
Or tell that to the patients whose average waiting time for treatment to begin dropped from 3 months to 4 weeks under the last Labour government.
Or the 31% more of students achieving 5 GCSEs compared to the previous Conservative administration.
Or the million pensioners that moved out of relative poverty.
Or the million children who were no longer living in absolute poverty.
Or the better physical health of children and mental health of parents who were attending Sure Start centres-a service quickly scrapped by the conservatives when they got back into power.
Still as someone who believes profits are more important than people's lives, at least you had the shame not to post on the thread about the Thornton family destroyed by Covid who presumably you feel are just collateral damage which should not be allowed to affect business.
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Crikey with a record like that how did they ever lose the election?
 
Out of interest, what is their agenda?
In terms of POTUS priorities, where does it sit against the pandemic, mass unemployment, immigration, climate change and world peace?
 
RUSTY_2_STANDS said:
No, they didn't believe Corbyn. He didn't need portraying as anything, he did that quite adequately himself.
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I thought all Jezza's fanboys had scurried off after he had been hoofed out of the party. Labour is looking more electable now than since before Ed was struggling with a bacon butty. 😀
 
No1_club said:
I thought all Jezza's fanboys had scurried off after he had been hoofed out of the party. Labour is looking more electable now than since before Ed was struggling with a bacon butty. 😀
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There's still the odd one knocking around. You see a few of them on this board. You know the sort. The pompous, angry, middle aged fake socialist types who believe that anyone who didn't vote for Grandad Magic is stupid, evil, racist, nazi etc etc.
I agree that Labour look a more attractive proposition now. That's possibly more down to the Government's incompetence rather than anything Starmer has done. But should make things more interesting come the next election. I can see the Tories having a different leader by then.
 
Wizaard said:
Or how Corbyn was portrayed?
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Keep blaming the right wing press rather than being honest about their own shortcomings and Labour will keep losing elections.

The Equality and Human Rights Commission (hardly a bastion of RWNJs) presented a pretty damming view of Corbyn and his leadership.

Starmer is being open and honest about the faults in the Labour party and trying to address them which I think will serve him well at the next election.
 
Gammon is racist. Used frequently by the lexicon of so many (usually on the left) & seemingly acceptable to them. It is a derogatory and disgusting term. To call someone a gammon is racist - although they will hide behind the 'lefty' crap that gammons are middle class types that have black mates bull.

*Note to add it is also used to denote white Brexit supporters of middle years. Pathetic really but people do have to have their racial slur fun.
 
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Crikey with a record like that how did they ever lose the election?
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Because they went and carried out an illegal war which lost them support on the left, and they allowed the Tory narrative that they were responsible for crashing the economy in 2008 when it was actually bankers like Javid, Leadsom and Sunak.
 
catinstalbans said:
Because they went and carried out an illegal war which lost them support on the left, and they allowed the Tory narrative that they were responsible for crashing the economy in 2008 when it was actually bankers like Javid, Leadsom and Sunak.
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Order, order !!
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
The term Gammon is racist......now I've heard it all 😂

Hang on, does that mean "Karen" is too?
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The term 'gammon' is the equivalent of calling somebody 'a chocolate drop'. Both are wildly racist. I'm surprised this thread has stayed up on here for so long tbh.
 
Kip said:
The term 'gammon' is the equivalent of calling somebody 'a chocolate drop'. Both are wildly racist. I'm surprised this thread has stayed up on here for so long tbh.
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Amazing.
"White men with reactionary opinions are not a race. White people mocking other white people over their skin colour is not racism. Inherent in the term is how a certain type of bore can go somewhere between a shade of pink and crimson red as they froth about gays and people a different colour to them having more rights than them these days.
It is a term about political views and how they are expressed.
Gammon is no more racist than the term chav.
That certain people are now pushing the use of the word gammon as racism is age-old example of how the privileged crave a sense of persecution, that they can target genuinely oppressed minorities while claiming they are the real victims."
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
Amazing.
"White men with reactionary opinions are not a race. White people mocking other white people over their skin colour is not racism. Inherent in the term is how a certain type of bore can go somewhere between a shade of pink and crimson red as they froth about gays and people a different colour to them having more rights than them these days.
It is a term about political views and how they are expressed.
Gammon is no more racist than the term chav.
That certain people are now pushing the use of the word gammon as racism is age-old example of how the privileged crave a sense of persecution, that they can target genuinely oppressed minorities while claiming they are the real victims."
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Where did you copy that from?
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
Amazing.
"White men with reactionary opinions are not a race. White people mocking other white people over their skin colour is not racism. Inherent in the term is how a certain type of bore can go somewhere between a shade of pink and crimson red as they froth about gays and people a different colour to them having more rights than them these days.
It is a term about political views and how they are expressed.
Gammon is no more racist than the term chav.
That certain people are now pushing the use of the word gammon as racism is age-old example of how the privileged crave a sense of persecution, that they can target genuinely oppressed minorities while claiming they are the real victims."
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You can quote what you like from whatever publications you read but it doesn't resolve the central issue that derogatory comments based on skin colour are racist.
This isn't rocket science. You don't need a complex explanation from a 'social commentator' to justify your stance. Just stop making racist remarks. It's all pretty straightforward. You might even say it's a moral issue.
 
BlackpoolsFinest said:
Demanding to know the source of the article is such a gammon thing to do 😂
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I'm guessing Owen Jones then, which says a lot about you, as does your refusal to identify your source.

It all assumes of course that the word is only used by white people, but that is not IMO the case, there's plenty of other races happy to throw the word around as well, and that is very much about skin colour rather than politics.

I find the word about as acceptable as the word n*****; plenty of black people use that term to describe themselves so using your copy+paste logic that word is fine too.

There are wider factors at play here as well, the kind of mindset that thinks it's fine to throw around racist words as long as they're only directed at white people is also the kind of mindset that thinks we shouldn't do anything about industrial scale child sexual abuse in the interests of community relations.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I find the word about as acceptable as the word n*****; .

There are wider factors at play here as well, the kind of mindset that thinks it's fine to throw around racist words as long as they're only directed at white people is also the kind of mindset that thinks we shouldn't do anything about industrial scale child sexual abuse in the interests of community relations.
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Of course you do, you're proving the point.

The fact that certain people are only seemingly concerned about child serial abuse when it involves groups of males of a specific religion is another point proven.

Oh, and I had no issue providing my source, I just knew it would turn you a little bit pink 😉
 
That's what it is then I did wonder.

Gammon
Collective noun for white, middle-aged, furious-faced men who are heavily concentrated in the vast reaches of England's Brexit heartlands.

Spitting out talking points found in fascist organs like the Daily Mail (or, for those preferring something less intellectual, the Daily Express), gammon exist in a state of perpetual outrage and exasperated "I'm just an ordinary bloke, me" confusion.

Core traits:

- They favour Brexit. After all, it means Brexit.
- Because the Conservative Party and the right-wing media ecosystem have told them to, they reject those things that underpin their jobs, living standards and opportunities: environmental protections, workers' rights, regulations favouring consumers, the European Union, the single market and the customs union. These things also benefit people they don't like (including foreigners and Guardian readers), of course, so they have to go.
- On the off-chance that they're aware of a border in Ireland, they don't know anything about it.
- They dislike multiculturalism and the 'equality agenda', and obsess about 'lefties', immigrants, Jeremy Corbyn ("Would 'e launch a nuke?! WELL, WOULD 'E?!") and the fabled liberal metropolitan elite.
- They hate Muslims, so they voted for the UK to withdraw from a free trade bloc comprising countries made up of white Christians.
- Having spent 40 years bellyaching about the UK's democratic decision to enter the EEC, they are now unbending guardians of its democratic decision to leave.
"There was so much gammon on Question Time last night that I went straight on Amazon and bought a panini machine. I'll get killed with the tariffs, but it'll be worth it."

"Fresh fruit looks likely to become a luxury after Brexit, but at least we'll have a surfeit of gammon."
 
Sooty59 said:
That's what it is then I did wonder.

Gammon
Collective noun for white, middle-aged, furious-faced men who are heavily concentrated in the vast reaches of England's Brexit heartlands.

Spitting out talking points found in fascist organs like the Daily Mail (or, for those preferring something less intellectual, the Daily Express), gammon exist in a state of perpetual outrage and exasperated "I'm just an ordinary bloke, me" confusion.

Core traits:

- They favour Brexit. After all, it means Brexit.
- Because the Conservative Party and the right-wing media ecosystem have told them to, they reject those things that underpin their jobs, living standards and opportunities: environmental protections, workers' rights, regulations favouring consumers, the European Union, the single market and the customs union. These things also benefit people they don't like (including foreigners and Guardian readers), of course, so they have to go.
- On the off-chance that they're aware of a border in Ireland, they don't know anything about it.
- They dislike multiculturalism and the 'equality agenda', and obsess about 'lefties', immigrants, Jeremy Corbyn ("Would 'e launch a nuke?! WELL, WOULD 'E?!") and the fabled liberal metropolitan elite.
- They hate Muslims, so they voted for the UK to withdraw from a free trade bloc comprising countries made up of white Christians.
- Having spent 40 years bellyaching about the UK's democratic decision to enter the EEC, they are now unbending guardians of its democratic decision to leave.
"There was so much gammon on Question Time last night that I went straight on Amazon and bought a panini machine. I'll get killed with the tariffs, but it'll be worth it."

"Fresh fruit looks likely to become a luxury after Brexit, but at least we'll have a surfeit of gammon."
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A lot of gas there for somebody who thinks we "entered" the EEC democratically.
 
I'll give another reason why it isnt racist, because there will be plenty of white males who read this thread and have a chuckle to themselves about it.

And then there's the usual suspects who get offended by the term, which is ironic in itself considering they seem to take pleasure in telling others to not be so offended at everything.

Good night, God bless.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
With difficulty. However, health of the nation comes first.
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Because there are still plenty of people out there making money. The slight problem is that they're allowed to avoid paying tax. Avoidance acceptable, evasion not.

Except if the missing revenue was gathered, it would pay for furlough and everything else many times over.
 
Old white men on a messageboard calling other old white gammons... Priceless 😀😀😀
A term not used anywhere, except within the safety of the internet.
Can you imagine calling a complete stranger (another old man) a 'gammon' in the boozer?
 
If a black person called a white person a gammon, would that make it racist, potentially racist or not racist at all? All three are possible. The left use gammon to belittle and undermine those they don’t agree with.

There are some who would use gammon in a racist way, and some who would use it in the way explained by the quote. In other words perjorative terms can cause offence or not cause offence as the case may be. Black rap artists using the term “n gger” are not being racist but a white working class male describing a black life not mattering would be.

So I’d say however clever some people think they are being with the gammon word, it’s creating yet more division and is lacking respect and contributes to tension.
 
Lost Seasider said:
I'm guessing Owen Jones then, which says a lot about you, as does your refusal to identify your source.

It all assumes of course that the word is only used by white people, but that is not IMO the case, there's plenty of other races happy to throw the word around as well, and that is very much about skin colour rather than politics.

I find the word about as acceptable as the word n*****; plenty of black people use that term to describe themselves so using your copy+paste logic that word is fine too.

There are wider factors at play here as well, the kind of mindset that thinks it's fine to throw around racist words as long as they're only directed at white people is also the kind of mindset that thinks we shouldn't do anything about industrial scale child sexual abuse in the interests of community relations.
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Where was your expression of contempt when a poster put up a video by the racist organisation turning point uk.?
Owen Jones is a legitimate political commentator. He is left wing, yes, but less of an extremist than many far right Conservative MPs these days, Blackpool's own Scott Benton being just the latest example.
 
catinstalbans said:
Where was your expression of contempt when a poster put up a video by the racist organisation turning point uk.?
Owen Jones is a legitimate political commentator. He is left wing, yes, but less of an extremist than many far right Conservative MPs these days, Blackpool's own Scott Benton being just the latest example.
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Any news on Labour’s Simon Blackburn?
 
Just for the sake of it I will refer back to the O/P, as it appears this thread has gone off on a tangent. (No surprises there)
The letter from the Black Lives Matter group to the POTUS elect and his Vice President is all well and good although it does appear to have a somewhat threatening undertone.
Regardless of that one thing is for certain, regardless of how Biden tackles this issue.
As soon as the next black, gun toting, knife wielding, assaulter of pregnant women and all round nasty piece of work gets shot and killed by the police (whether that be a black or white officer) then once again the streets of the US will turn into rioting and looting, etc, etc, etc.
Joe Biden needs all the help he can get to resolve this pandemic amongst certain parts of the American population.
This has been festering for many, many years and sadly it is not going to go away any time soon.

On a lighter note, I was quite amazed that when “gammon” was being discussed on this thread the gastronomic expert (aka Allez) didn’t make an appearance to discuss eggs or pineapple as the best accompaniment.
 
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