Pilley guilty

Hadley said:
In my business life I’ve engaged with BES and CardSaver, two of Mr Pilleys companies and found them to have ruthless strategies for extracting funds from their customers. I came away with a 2-0 away win eventually but they were horrible businesses to deal with .
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Yes Hadley I also had the same experiences with them.
 
Things have moved on a lot since Owen handed over control.

Pilley can't simply say it's all over to his son.

Part of the win for Valeri was that it was shown that Owen continued to manipulate from behind the scenes. The EFL are not going to accept the same scenario just up the road in the light of all that.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
A lot of hot air being spoken on here which is no surprise really.
Ever thought of Pilley passing the running of the club down to another family member just like old Owen did?
Talks of the club going out of business are just laughable.
And Blackpool taking over Pool Foot even more laughable. 🤣
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Why?
 
Wizaard said:
Things have moved on a lot since Owen handed over control.

Pilley can't simply say it's all over to his son.

Part of the win for Valeri was that it was shown that Owen continued to manipulate from behind the scenes. The EFL are not going to accept the same scenario just up the road in the light of all that.
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The difference between OO and AP is that OO having been convicted of rape and therefore having derived no financial gain from his crime didn’t face Proceeds of Crime Act proceedings (I’m not even sure the legislation was in then tbf anyway.)

The poca is the killer for AP imo . He can’t just simply hand assets over to his son and everything’s ok.

If you want more info just Google poca proceedings . It’s a nightmare .

Trading standards aren’t going to be doing him any favours either they’ve spent a fortune.
 
Leyland bfc said:
were have all the Pilley lovers gone 😂 he’s a prick and his son is a even bigger one
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Haven’t gone anywhere mate, just feel sorry for all the people who may lose their jobs. As regards another question re Jamel it’s a company Andy set up to look after his pension I believe with the first initials of his eldest son and daughter’s names……. Jamie and Melissa…… so the thoughts behind us getting a cheap training ground might not be as easy as it sounds???
 
Martonmosser said:
Haven’t gone anywhere mate, just feel sorry for all the people who may lose their jobs. As regards another question re Jamel it’s a company Andy set up to look after his pension I believe with the first initials of his eldest son and daughter’s names……. Jamie and Melissa…… so the thoughts behind us getting a cheap training ground might not be as easy as it sounds???
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I suppose it all comes down to the courts deciding on how he's paid for those assets in his name. If its determined to be ill gotten gains then they're up for seizure.
 
Wizaard said:
I suppose it all comes down to the courts deciding on how he's paid for those assets in his name. If its determined to be ill gotten gains then they're up for seizure.
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In proceeds of crime proceedings, the burden of proof is reversed from the norm, so the defendant has to prove something is not a proceed of crime
 
Wizaard said:
I suppose it all comes down to the courts deciding on how he's paid for those assets in his name. If its determined to be ill gotten gains then they're up for seizure.
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Possibly but I’m pretty certain that there will be an appeal which as we all know from experience of the Oystons things will be slowed down considerably. In the meantime we still need a training ground
 
Martonmosser said:
Possibly but I’m pretty certain that there will be an appeal which as we all know from experience of the Oystons things will be slowed down considerably. In the meantime we still need a training ground
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I've never thought we should go to Poolfoot anyway. Get our own, in Blackpool
 
I would expect an appeal but it must be on a point of law and not because you didn’t like the decision.

The reality is with a fraud conviction within business….. in simple terms it nullifies the limited liability bit of the companies act, and a court can reverse transactions you may have done from years ago to anyone - if it’s deemed from dodgy money.

If the conviction stands people can go after him for money and it could be a lot and across all his asset bases and wealth - and any he has gifted family or anyone else for that matter.

Whatever happens, this will go on for a good while and I would expect if the court sees him as a flight risk - then he isn’t leaving custody anytime soon, even during an appeal.

The bottom line is whatever happens, this is not good for him, his family or busineses.

…but if the conviction holds, it is good news for anyone on the other side.
 
seasideone said:
I would expect an appeal but it must be on a point of law and not because you didn’t like the decision.

The reality is with a fraud conviction within business….. in simple terms it nullifies the limited liability bit of the companies act, and a court can reverse transactions you may have done from years ago to anyone - if it’s deemed from dodgy money.

If the conviction stands people can go after him for money and it could be a lot and across all his asset bases and wealth - and any he has gifted family or anyone else for that matter.

Whatever happens, this will go on for a good while and I would expect if the court sees him as a flight risk - then he isn’t leaving custody anytime soon, even during an appeal.

The bottom line is whatever happens, this is not good for him, his family or busineses.

…but if the conviction holds, it is good news for anyone on the other side.
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Its a criminal case. So even if there are grounds for appeal (probably unlikely) he will be in prison and the proceeds of crime recovery will go ahead and a class action can be brought until an appeal is successful. An appeal gives no protection in criminal cases unless it successful.
 
Martonmosser said:
Haven’t gone anywhere mate, just feel sorry for all the people who may lose their jobs. As regards another question re Jamel it’s a company Andy set up to look after his pension I believe with the first initials of his eldest son and daughter’s names……. Jamie and Melissa…… so the thoughts behind us getting a cheap training ground might not be as easy as it sounds???
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Take no notice of the Pilley haters, good mates stick together in hard times. Heard today he was a possible flight risk in having another passport so his sentence may not be as bad in the end.
 
Love BFC🍊 said:
How can somebody have 2 passports ??
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Gods honest truth said:
Anyone who travels abroad a lot for business can have two passports.
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I worked for a telecoms company that covered Europe and the Middle East - the guys who did the Middle East jobs had two passports, one for Israel and one for Arab states (otherwise they were constantly detained on arrival). You have to have good reason to be allowed two.
 
Henshman said:
I have no affiliation whatsoever towards Fleetwood Town, but think it's too easy for us all to laugh and sneer about Andy Pilley and the Cods. I honestly feel that if the Oyston Family hadn't sold BFC to Simon Sadler, we wouldn't have survived as a club through the Covid lockdown period.
🧡UTMP🧡
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When lockdown kicked in and there was no money coming in but players, coaches, staff contracts had to be honoured I'm sure the O's would have covered all the wages every month. 😉
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Sister lives in a big house on Holmfield Avenue as does one of his associates both - with others - found guilty of fraud chages. Throw the bloody key away. They flaunt their wealth in the face of ordinary decent people.
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Not sure why you say rich people flaunt their wealth. What did you want his sister to do? Live in a bunker in Alaska?

It’s very normal for people to buy a property akin to their income levels, or other financial standing.

Are the people who live on Mains Lane flaunting their wealth at all those that drive past on their daily commute?

Are people who live in a semi, flaunting their relative wealth at those who live in a council tower block?

My point here is that this is about criminality. Making it into some sort of class war is a stretch. There’s no link between living on Holmfield Road, and flaunting.

It’s arguable that driving around in a fancy car with a private plate such as P11LEY is flaunting it. But that’s no worse than many other car drivers that have private plates and some narcissistic tendencies.
 
Malced said:
Not sure why you say rich people flaunt their wealth. What did you want his sister to do? Live in a bunker in Alaska?

It’s very normal for people to buy a property akin to their income levels, or other financial standing.

Are the people who live on Mains Lane flaunting their wealth at all those that drive past on their daily commute?

Are people who live in a semi, flaunting their relative wealth at those who live in a council tower block?

My point here is that this is about criminality. Making it into some sort of class war is a stretch. There’s no link between living on Holmfield Road, and flaunting.

It’s arguable that driving around in a fancy car with a private plate such as P11LEY is flaunting it. But that’s no worse than many other car drivers that have private plates and some narcissistic tendencies.
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It's typical Champagne socialists comments like they don't have nice houses a car and take foreign holidays.
 
I don't wish to pish on anyone's chips here but having thought about this over the weekend it is quite possible that there will no POCA proceedings.

You see with POCA the money derived from the confiscation goes to the treasury, the courts etc and not to victims.

If the court confiscates AP's assets that money will not be available to the victims of his crime.

He could be ordered to pay compensation but this may be limited and the courts powers to enforce are fairly limited.

Its entirely possible that Trading Standards will not pursue POCA and let any victims sue via the civil courts so it may well not be as bad financially for AP as first thought.

Just my thoughts I have no idea whats actually going on.
 
Malced said:
Not sure why you say rich people flaunt their wealth. What did you want his sister to do? Live in a bunker in Alaska?

It’s very normal for people to buy a property akin to their income levels, or other financial standing.

Are the people who live on Mains Lane flaunting their wealth at all those that drive past on their daily commute?

Are people who live in a semi, flaunting their relative wealth at those who live in a council tower block?

My point here is that this is about criminality. Making it into some sort of class war is a stretch. There’s no link between living on Holmfield Road, and flaunting.

It’s arguable that driving around in a fancy car with a private plate such as P11LEY is flaunting it. But that’s no worse than many other car drivers that have private plates and some narcissistic tendencies.
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My comment was related to the fact that their wealth is built upon illegal behaviour. I'm sure many people would love to live in such plush circumstances but don't because they can't afford to.
 
What will be a massive blow to Pilley and his children/family is the complete loss of earnings from BES (wholesaler and B2B sales)
Maybe The Bifster could update us on the legal details of being a energy wholesaler.....(Russian and best mates with Putin sounds normal)

OFGEM will close down the B2B side of the business as this is where a lot of the fraud went on...so no money coming in there
Jamie's Saturday job at JD Sports won't cut it.....so what assets does he have to sell.....?

Pilley will have to (?) want to (?) Need to (?) sell it off.....But without the necessary documentation (?) he won't be able to sell energy to customers
And would you trust a company that just had it's owner jailed for screwing companies over on supplying gas/electric?

Someone may want to buy existing contracts but (I would imagine) all existing customers will be offered terms to terminate their contract and move elsewhere.....

Pilley will still end up a millionaire...but he wont have the millions needed to run a club even in League 1
 
B_Side_The_C_Side said:
What will be a massive blow to Pilley and his children/family is the complete loss of earnings from BES (wholesaler and B2B sales)
Maybe The Bifster could update us on the legal details of being a energy wholesaler.....(Russian and best mates with Putin sounds normal)

OFGEM will close down the B2B side of the business as this is where a lot of the fraud went on...so no money coming in there
Jamie's Saturday job at JD Sports won't cut it.....so what assets does he have to sell.....?

Pilley will have to (?) want to (?) Need to (?) sell it off.....But without the necessary documentation (?) he won't be able to sell energy to customers
And would you trust a company that just had it's owner jailed for screwing companies over on supplying gas/electric?

Someone may want to buy existing contracts but (I would imagine) all existing customers will be offered terms to terminate their contract and move elsewhere.....

Pilley will still end up a millionaire...but he wont have the millions needed to run a club even in League 1
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Why should he still millionaire take the lot of him I say .
 
Wizaard said:
Things have moved on a lot since Owen handed over control.

Pilley can't simply say it's all over to his son.

Part of the win for Valeri was that it was shown that Owen continued to manipulate from behind the scenes. The EFL are not going to accept the same scenario just up the road in the light of all that.
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If it’s the EFL we’ll still be waiting fora statement in 5 years.
 
Sooty59 said:
If it’s the EFL we’ll still be waiting fora statement in 5 years
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Its a pretty open and shut case for the EFL - he will have to relinquish control of the club. The issue is how can they make sure he has no hidden control - ie he hands ownership of club to his son but continues to exert control. The challenge for AP in that scenario is how can his businesse continue to fund the onging running costs of FTFC when he cannot have any involvement.

Sentencing is today according to the press.
 
Leither said:
Blimey - that's a shocker!!

Talk about Bad taste - that's bloody awful.
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No, dont think so . I. think the one you refer to is next to the late Mrs Lofthouses house. Pilleys is on the other side of the road and is a new build.
 
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