Pro-Palestine march set for Armistice day

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20togo said:
but not you because you'll be at Bolton eh? 😉

Some things are more important than football unless it suits it not to be.
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I've not joined a political march since the 70s.

It's a ridiculous statement to make and you know it.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
So you are now reporting other users to the mods on the same thread where you told me to 'shut the fuck up'. 😁
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yep, because i haven't deliberately edited some-one elses post to make it look contradictory to something else they said. That would annoy you wouldn't it?

As an aside you did never get back to me to acknowledge that in that post i made it clear that there were two sides to the debate.You in your post suggested that i swore of you because i was saying my opinion was right which was not the case. I said what i did because you suggested i thought I was god and that's why you got the re-action. Have a look and you'll see that.
 
Wizaard said:
The vast majority of whom will live in London.

I won't spend £80 when I could be watching Blackpool 😉
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the vast majority of people who live in Gaza want an armed struggle with Israel too. How is that compatible with those marching for peace? Just a thought.
 
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20togo said:
yep, because i haven't deliberately edited some-one elses post to make it look contradictory to something else they said. That would annoy you wouldn't it?

As an aside you did never get back to me to acknowledge that in that post i made it clear that there were two sides to the debate.You in your post suggested that i swore of you because i was saying my opinion was right which was not the case. I said what i did because you suggested i thought I was god and that's why you got the re-action. Have a look and you'll see that.
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However you dress it up and IMO, you shouldn't address other users like that and it is certainly against the rules of the forum. However I wouldn't report somebody for it. I actually thought that when you had calmed down you might think better of it and apologise. But it looks like you still think it is justifiable.

For clarity; the phrase 'who made you god?' is IMO shorthand for 'what right have you to impose your will on other people?'.
The difference between our arguments is that you actively want to stop people from doing something that is important to them (going on a march). I don't. I am very happy for you to carry out your remembrance as you see fit, that is your right. I don't, for instance, want football matches to be stopped on November 11th. I am also equally happy for demonstrators to demonstrate if they want, that is their right. I've probably wasted too much time arguing on this but stuff like this is important to me because it goes to the heart of our freedoms. We live in a free society and sometimes others will do and say things that we don't agree with. We shouldn't try to stop them if it is within the law - this freedom is one of our great strengths as a country and something we should be proud of.
 
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Wizaard said:
It brings pressure to bear that the Government needs to do something.

But you knew that. If they all sent a fiver you'd be the first to accuse them of funding terrorism.
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Let's face it, the protesting and marching isn't going to stop Israel bombing Gaza is it? I give money to the victims but I don't consider myself to be a terrorist or a sponsor of terrorism and I'm pretty sure my donations will achieve more than the protesters ever will by walking around London intimidating people.
 
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Jaffa_The_Hut said:
It’s hardly playground stuff though is it talking about 5,000 children losing their lives?
And once again I know I keep repeating my self here but I can’t put it any other way but had Hamas not attacked Israel on 07/10/23 those 5,000 children and the 5,000 other civilians would still be alive today FACT.
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But the bad actions on one side does not give a blank cheque to the other.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
But the bad actions on one side does not give a blank cheque to the other.
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But it gives them every right to retaliate and that’s what they've done, did the world think Israel wouldn’t strike back?

If the terrorist scum Hamas didn’t hide in between the civilian population it wouldn't have got to this.

If they had any balls they would have met the IDF head to head it’s easy murdering and beheading unarmed civilians children and babies.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
But it gives them every right to retaliate and that’s what they done.

If the terrorist scum Hamas didn’t hide in between the civilian population it would have got to this.

If they had any balls they would have met the IDF head to head it’s easy murdering and beheading unarmed civilians children and babies.
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To retaliate, yes. Not to do as they see fit, regardless of the consequences.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
However you dress it up and IMO, you shouldn't address other users like that and it is certainly against the rules of the forum. However I wouldn't report somebody for it. I actually thought that when you had calmed down you might think better of it and apologise. But it looks like you still think it is justifiable.

For clarity; the phrase 'who made you god?' is IMO shorthand for 'what right have you to impose your will on other people?'.
The difference between our arguments is that you actively want to stop people from doing something that is important to them (going on a march). I don't. I am very happy for you to carry out your remembrance as you see fit, that is your right. I don't, for instance, want football matches to be stopped on November 11th. I am also equally happy for demonstrators to demonstrate if they want, that is their right. I've probably wasted too much time arguing on this but stuff like this is important to me because it goes to the heart of our freedoms. We live in a free society and sometimes others will do and say things that we don't agree with. We shouldn't try to stop them if it is within the law - this freedom is one of our great strengths as a country and something we should be proud of.
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but I wasn't imposing my will on anyone else was I? Here you go, this was my post. I'll say it again, have a read of my last para which you want to conveniently ignore. In it i said my view is shared by millions just as yours is. ie I recognise that yours is so there's no me imposing my will on you or anyone else at all. So yep, I'm not acting like god at all and yep the apology should be coming my way. In fact, it seems you don't want to acknowledge that many millions share my view too, so who exactly is trying to force their will here? You perhaps. Ignore the perhaps if you want.

20togo said:
do shut the fuck up. As I said in my previous post, it's not my decision that sporting events take place on this weekend. They've been happening since i was kid and first started going football matches over 60 years ago, Absolutely nothing to do with me any decision made on this and if it was a case that no events had taken place then that's the way I would have been brought up to think. What's so difficult to grasp about that and that this weekend is where millions of people come together to pay their respects. You make it sound a bad thing with your illogical nonsense.

I've made my views very clear, And guess what. It's a view shared by millions of others in this country! Just as yours are. You don't seem to be able to recognise that when it comes to your god comment you clown.
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And if another poster edited and re-wrote one of your posts attributing it to you which is what he has done would you be happy with that?
 
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20togo said:
but I wasn't imposing my will on anyone else was I? Here you go, this was my post. I'll say it again, have a read of my last para which you want to conveniently ignore. In it i said my view is shared by millions just as yours is. ie I recognise that yours is so there's no me imposing my will on you or anyone else at all. So yep, I'm not acting like god at all and yep the apology should be coming my way.


And if another poster edited and re-wrote one of your posts attributing it to you which is what he has done would you be happy with that?
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You want a legal march that the police are happy with to be stopped because you don't agree with it. If you actually got your way and it was stopped, that would be the very definition of imposing your will on other people who think differently to you.
I am not happy that another poster (i.e. yourself) thinks that abusive language is justifiable on here apart from it being against the rules. Again that outburst was an attempt to shut down discussion of someone who holds a different view to you ('stfu').
 
20togo said:
the vast majority of people who live in Gaza want an armed struggle with Israel too. How is that compatible with those marching for peace? Just a thought.
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Seems those on one side of the debate don't seem to want to comment on this post. Is it fair to say that the whole issue is not black and white and there are that many different angles to the complexity of what is happening.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
You want a legal march that the police are happy with to be stopped because you don't agree with it. If you actually got your way and it was stopped, that would be the very definition of imposing your will on other people who think differently to you.
I am not happy that another poster (i.e. yourself) thinks that abusive language is justifiable on here apart from it being against the rules. Again that outburst was an attempt to shut down discussion of someone who holds a different view to you ('stfu').
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You really are struggling here aren't you? Where have I said I don't agree with it? What I've said is I don't agree with it taking place THIS WEEKEND. You conveniently forget that last part. No problem with it taking place the following weekend or any other weekend but not this one for reasons I've made pretty clear.

And once again you ignore my comments where i' acknowledged millions of people share your view. Why? Yet you can't bring yourself to acknowledge that millions share my view. Pretty obvious that it's you're the one who is trying to enforce your will on others.
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
You want a legal march that the police are happy with to be stopped because you don't agree with it. If you actually got your way and it was stopped, that would be the very definition of imposing your will on other people who think differently to you.
I am not happy that another poster (i.e. yourself) thinks that abusive language is justifiable on here apart from it being against the rules. Again that outburst was an attempt to shut down discussion of someone who holds a different view to you ('stfu').
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Tell you what let’s move the march to the Sunday and let them march down Whitehall right past the cenotaph with all our hero’s how would that suit you and others would it make you feel better?

Let’s go for it would stop all the arguments about it being on the Saturday and not actual armistice day. 👍
 
Wizaard said:
There was a big banner Jews for Peace last week.
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surely some-one captured it on a photo for you to be able to show it? No doubt many other thousands of Jews living here are in fear of anti-semitic attacks which have risen to off the scale levels since 7/10. And they will be too afraid to march. Maybe that's not of concern to you though.
 
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20togo said:
surely some-one captured it on a photo for you to be able to show it? No doubt many other thousands of Jews living here are in fear of anti-semitic attacks which have risen to off the scale levels since 7/10. And they will be too afraid to march. Maybe that's not of concern to you though.
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Mr "not interested in politics" hogs another thread on politics 🥱🤣
 
20togo said:
surely some-one captured it on a photo for you to be able to show it? No doubt many other thousands of Jews living here are in fear of anti-semitic attacks which have risen to off the scale levels since 7/10. And they will be too afraid to march. Maybe that's not of concern to you though.
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It was all over social media, which, along with politics is something else you don't do.

And yet again you misrepresent me, despite being told multiple times.

The attack on Israel was abhorrent, and the response has been disproportionate.

Both sides are at fault and need to stop. I'm neither pro Palestine nor pro Israel.

I'm for a humanitarian settlement thst stops the senseless killing of civilians.

By the way, did you know that Suella's husband has family in the Israeli army? Does this account for her recent manic outbursts?
 
ItsGrimUpNorth said:
Ohhhh, so they’re marching to stop violence on both sides? I’ll wait for you to post the pictures of the Israel flags in the march, then.
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You are aware there are a huge number of Jews, including Ultra Orthodox, around the world and particularly in Israel campaigning for a ceasefire, don't you?
 
Tangerinemoss said:
You are aware there are a huge number of Jews, including Ultra Orthodox, around the world and particularly in Israel campaigning for a ceasefire, don't you?
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Good point. In Britain and the US.

www.standard.co.uk

Jewish activists call for Gaza ceasefire outside Foreign Office

Organisers, Na'amod, arranged protest in Westminster to demand an immediate ceasefire in Gaza
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk

www.reuters.com

Jewish-led peace activists protest at Statue of Liberty to demand Gaza ceasefire

Hundreds of protesters, many from the group Jewish Voice for Peace, staged a sit-in on Monday outside New York's Statue of Liberty, calling for a cease-fire in the Israel-Hamas war in the Gaza Strip.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com
 
Tangerinemoss said:
You are aware there are a huge number of Jews, including Ultra Orthodox, around the world and particularly in Israel campaigning for a ceasefire, don't you?
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Mexboroseasider said:
Good point

www.standard.co.uk

Jewish activists call for Gaza ceasefire outside Foreign Office

Organisers, Na'amod, arranged protest in Westminster to demand an immediate ceasefire in Gaza
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
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That's a fair point. But what about the other side? Does that apply to all the muslims living in Iran and various other Muslim nations. Are they all marching and campaigning for peace and condemning Hamas for their actions. Orwould you say it's a bit more anti- semitic there. It's not a one way street. Assume Mex can provide evidence they think the same.
 
20togo said:
what's your point? I can honestly say in my daily life, I don't know a black person, a muslim, a Jew or a person of any other race, creed or colour. Does that brand me as racist, anti semite or any other tag you can come up with? My friends and family are just people I know. I don't see them as anything other than just another person. Your post is disgusting with you trying to pin labels on someone.
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Do you never use public transport, fill up your car, go to the local shop, go to a chemist, go to see a doctor? The list is endless

What do you do then?

Go to the pub and moan about everybody else, as you do on here?
 
20togo said:
That's a fair point. But what about the other side? Does that apply to all the muslims living in Iran and various other Muslim nations. Are they all marching and campaigning for peace and condemning Hamas for their actions. Orwould you say it's a bit more anti- semitic there. It's not a one way street. Assume Mex can provide evidence they think the same.
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Good question. Probably not Iran for obvious reasons but certainly elsewhere.

 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
However you dress it up and IMO, you shouldn't address other users like that and it is certainly against the rules of the forum. However I wouldn't report somebody for it. I actually thought that when you had calmed down you might think better of it and apologise. But it looks like you still think it is justifiable.

For clarity; the phrase 'who made you god?' is IMO shorthand for 'what right have you to impose your will on other people?'.
The difference between our arguments is that you actively want to stop people from doing something that is important to them (going on a march). I don't. I am very happy for you to carry out your remembrance as you see fit, that is your right. I don't, for instance, want football matches to be stopped on November 11th. I am also equally happy for demonstrators to demonstrate if they want, that is their right. I've probably wasted too much time arguing on this but stuff like this is important to me because it goes to the heart of our freedoms. We live in a free society and sometimes others will do and say things that we don't agree with. We shouldn't try to stop them if it is within the law - this freedom is one of our great strengths as a country and something we should be proud of.
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Ignore him.

He's cerebrally challenged.
 
Yaxley Lennon's going to be disappointed. The police are going to make the road around the Cenotaph a "no go area"

What will he and his knuckle dragging storm troopers do now? I suggest standing on the "live" line on the underground
 
Ollygon said:
Yaxley Lennon's going to be disappointed. The police are going to make the road around the Cenotaph a "no go area"

What will he and his knuckle dragging storm troopers do now? I suggest standing on the "live" line on the underground
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A peaceful protest yet the police feel the need to make it a no go area around the Cenotaph, the Israeli embassy and the US embassy. For a peaceful protest? That seems odd.
 
Ollygon said:
Ignore him.

He's cerebrally challenged.
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ah my racist anti semite friend is back. Remind me again, no it's alright, it was you who gave the thumbs up to the offensive and removed post that suggested all Jews should be invited to go and live in the USA. You nailed your colurs to the mast very early with that didn't you?
 
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20togo said:
yep, I saw that. And I saw this

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Yes. There are Arabs who support Hamas in the same way as there are Jews who support Israel and the attacks on Palestinians in Gaza.

But the point Mossy was making was that there are also Jews who support a ceasefire. And you asked me for evidence that there were also Arab citizens who supported a ceasefire and that’s what I’ve done. There are also plenty of Arab governments calling for a ceasefire.

There’s also many Arab nations plus Fatah in the West Bank who have recognised Israel’s right to exist and who have renounced armed resistance. In addition to the Arab citizens mentioned in the article I posted.

TBH I’m not really clear on the point you’re trying to make. Unless it’s just that there’s some Arabs who still want armed conflict. Which is hardly breaking news.
 
20togo said:
ah my racist anti semite friend is back. Remind me again, no it's alright, it was you who gave the thumbs up to the offensive and removed post that suggested all Jews should be invited to go and live in the USA.
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Ah 20s.

An opinion on everything- but knows nothing.

There's a good boy. Brush your teeth before you go to bed
 
20togo said:
A peaceful protest yet the police feel the need to make it a no go area around the Cenotaph, the Israeli embassy and the US embassy. For a peaceful protest? That seems odd.
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The exclusion zone is to keep the rwnjs away. Yaxley- Lennon must be wondering how he's going to raise money now to pay the £100,000 damages bill which is still outstanding.

How much did you send him, sucker.?
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Yes. There are Arabs who support Hamas in the same way as there are Jews who support Israel and the attacks on Palestinians in Gaza.

But the point Mossy was making was that there are also Jews who support a ceasefire. And you asked me for evidence that there were also Arab citizens who supported a ceasefire and that’s what I’ve done. There are also plenty of Arab governments calling for a ceasefire.

There’s also many Arab nations plus Fatah in the West Bank who have recognised Israel’s right to exist and who have renounced armed resistance. In addition to the Arab citizens mentioned in the article I posted.

TBH I’m not really clear on the point you’re trying to make. Unless it’s just that there’s some Arabs who still want armed conflict. Which is hardly breaking news.
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my point was that in Israel as you say there a good number campaigning for a ceasefire but in Arab countries are they calling for a ceasefire or protesting about the actions of Israel. Words like "where are the Arab army".
 
Ollygon said:
Ah 20s.

An opinion on everything- but knows nothing.

There's a good boy. Brush your teeth before you go to bed
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Ollygon said:
The exclusion zone is to keep the rwnjs away. Yaxley- Lennon must be wondering how he's going to raise money now to pay the £100,000 damages bill which is still outstanding.

How much did you send him, sucker.?
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I've really got you riled haven't I? What made you such a racist, a term you like to label other people, with your anti semitic views?
 
Ollygon said:
The exclusion zone is to keep the rwnjs away. Yaxley- Lennon must be wondering how he's going to raise money now to pay the £100,000 damages bill which is still outstanding.

How much did you send him, sucker.?
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you know that's nonsense don't you, my looney left wing racist anti semite friend?
 
Ollygon said:
Do you never use public transport, fill up your car, go to the local shop, go to a chemist, go to see a doctor? The list is endless

What do you do then?

Go to the pub and moan about everybody else, as you do on here?
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what an oddball you are. i said my friends and family. So why should i know the bus driver, the petrol attendant, the chemist or the doctor.?
 
Ollygon said:
Yaxley Lennon's going to be disappointed. The police are going to make the road around the Cenotaph a "no go area"

What will he and his knuckle dragging storm troopers do now? I suggest standing on the "live" line on the underground
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I Thought it was going to be a ‘peaceful’ protest?

2,000 coppers on duty, no go areas, cenotaph all fenced off.

Doesn’t sound very peaceful to me.
 
20togo said:
my point was that in Israel as you say there a good number campaigning for a ceasefire but in Arab countries are they calling for a ceasefire or protesting about the actions of Israel. Words like "where are the Arab army".
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Yes there are citizens in Arab countries calling for a ceasefire and a peaceful resolution. That was in the link I posted. Their governments are too.

That said, yes obviously there are still Arabs who prefer armed resistance. That’s obvious. If there weren’t then we wouldn’t be where we are now.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Yes. There are Arabs who support Hamas in the same way as there are Jews who support Israel and the attacks on Palestinians in Gaza.

But the point Mossy was making was that there are also Jews who support a ceasefire. And you asked me for evidence that there were also Arab citizens who supported a ceasefire and that’s what I’ve done. There are also plenty of Arab governments calling for a ceasefire.

There’s also many Arab nations plus Fatah in the West Bank who have recognised Israel’s right to exist and who have renounced armed resistance. In addition to the Arab citizens mentioned in the article I posted.

TBH I’m not really clear on the point you’re trying to make. Unless it’s just that there’s some Arabs who still want armed conflict. Which is hardly breaking news.
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Just another point Mex. As I've said, there are many different ways,angles etc of looking at this whole situation. You and others choose your way with similar views and me and others look at it from a different pov. And that's all it is. Something I did point out to EBSN but he didn't seem to want to acknowledge that. That's not a dig at him, that's his choice.
 
20togo said:
Just another point Mex. As I've said, there are many different ways,angles etc of looking at this whole situation. You and others choose your way with similar views and me and others look at it from a different pov. And that's all it is. Something I did point out to EBSN but he didn't seem to want to acknowledge that. That's not a dig at him, that's his choice.
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Well said 20s. A balanced view....








You're wrong, of course.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Yes there are citizens in Arab countries calling for a ceasefire and a peaceful resolution. That was in the link I posted. Their governments are too.

That said, yes obviously there are still Arabs who prefer armed resistance. That’s obvious. If there weren’t then we wouldn’t be where we are now.
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But on the whole, I'd say it's the Arabs who are much more in favour of armed conflict than the Israelis.
 
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