Pro-Palestine march set for Armistice day

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Culture wars innit. They'll be digging up as many historical incidents as possible, the audience they want to whip up will listen.
Absolutely laughable comment you hypocrite. Remind me when the boot was on the other foot when the BLM marches were happening and Churchills statue was defaced and a statue pulled down in Bristol. Historical events you didn't like and no doubt you were on here whipping up the hatred.
 
Absolutely laughable comment you hypocrite. Remind me when the boot was on the other foot when the BLM marches were happening and Churchills statue was defaced and a statue pulled down in Bristol. Historical events you didn't like and no doubt you were on here whipping up the hatred.
The statue in Bristol was that of a slaver. Good role model?
 
The statue in Bristol was that of a slaver. Good role model?
Was it a historical event? Yes it was! History is history be it good or bad. Remember what this weekend is about where millions of lives were lost. Lest you forget. Seems plenty perhaps like yourself want to place more importance on having the march this weekend rather than events of the past. Can you justify the difference between having it this weekend rather than next. Any genuine valid reasons why it has to be this specific weekend?
 
It seems to me that trouble is probably almost a given now if this march goes ahead.
Too much stirring going on and too many vested interests involved who would likely benefit if it all kicks off.
 
Was it a historical event? Yes it was! History is history be it good or bad. Remember what this weekend is about where millions of lives were lost. Lest you forget. Seems plenty perhaps like yourself want to place more importance on having the march this weekend rather than events of the past. Can you justify the difference between having it this weekend rather than next. Any genuine valid reasons why it has to be this specific weekend?
Well for me if this weekend is about anything, it’s about remembering the death, pain, suffering, fear and, more often than not, the futility of war. I can see the argument for WW2 and the defeat of Nazism, but WTF was WW1 about? Just look at the names and ages of those kids on your local cenotaph and ask yourself why they were sacrificed? They were real people who had their lives snatched away.

Now for a moment think about those mothers and children, hiding in their homes in Gaza. Or the rubble of their homes. Wondering whether the next bomb or shell will come for them. Once again they are REAL people. And it’s happening now.

As I said, I can’t think of a better time for this march to take place TBH.
 
yep, my apologies. I should have done some proper checking for myself. As you say, it happened before 7/10 and seemingly had nothing to do with subsequent events. However, there's still Rochdale and that is connected to events in Israel and Gaza even though a British war memorial has nothing to do with those events and should be sacrosanct. I'm sure you'd agree. As I've said anti semitic hate crime has gone through the roof and we all know why that is.

This weekend should be left free for people to reflect and remember our war dead. Not for people to protest about events happening in another country, tragic as that is.

Hasty backtracking.
 
Absolutely laughable comment you hypocrite. Remind me when the boot was on the other foot when the BLM marches were happening and Churchills statue was defaced and a statue pulled down in Bristol. Historical events you didn't like and no doubt you were on here whipping up the hatred.
Crikey you're going to burst a blood vessel.
When the boot was on the other foot? What are you on about, do you think I'm a BLM activist or something. You know absolutely nothing about me but seem to think I revel in defacing a statue, that said the slave trader one was best chucked in the river.
Go and take a valium and stop getting so worked up.
 
So then the march goes ahead on Saturday.

The PM Rishi Sunak is clearly pissed off he hasn’t got his way in cancelling this march.

The one question I now have is if this march breaks out into pockets of violence and many are arrested will the Met Police chief Sir Mark Rowley live by the sword and resign his position?

Think it may well be bye bye Mr Rowley after Saturday.
 
So then the march goes ahead on Saturday.

The PM Rishi Sunak is clearly pissed off he hasn’t got his way in cancelling this march.

The one question I now have is if this march breaks out into pockets of violence and many are arrested will the Met Police chief Sir Mark Rowley live by the sword and resign his position?

Think it may well be bye bye Mr Rowley after Saturday.
He's clearly stated the police have no powers to stop the march. Stopping marches on the potential of violence is a very dangerous game, do you want to live in a state where this happens. What about the oyston marches, would you have liked those to be stopped on such a claim. Mark Rowley is the victim of politics from the gutter.
 
So then the march goes ahead on Saturday.

The PM Rishi Sunak is clearly pissed off he hasn’t got his way in cancelling this march.

The one question I now have is if this march breaks out into pockets of violence and many are arrested will the Met Police chief Sir Mark Rowley live by the sword and resign his position?

Think it may well be bye bye Mr Rowley after Saturday.
Braverman could still try to ban it under section 40 of the Police Act 1996. Doesn’t need a request from the Met as I understand it.

So over to her then. Has she got the minerals? Or is it all hot air?
 
Braverman could still try to ban it under section 40 of the Police Act 1996. Doesn’t need a request from the Met as I understand it.

So over to her then. Has she got the minerals? Or is it all hot air?
Braverman could still try to ban it under section 40 of the Police Act 1996. Doesn’t need a request from the Met as I understand it.

So over to her then. Has she got the minerals? Or is it all hot air?
He’s either a very brave man standing up to the Government or a very stupid man.

Time will tell.
 
Well for me if this weekend is about anything, it’s about remembering the death, pain, suffering, fear and, more often than not, the futility of war. I can see the argument for WW2 and the defeat of Nazism, but WTF was WW1 about? Just look at the names and ages of those kids on your local cenotaph and ask yourself why they were sacrificed? They were real people who had their lives snatched away.

Now for a moment think about those mothers and children, hiding in their homes in Gaza. Or the rubble of their homes. Wondering whether the next bomb or shell will come for them. Once again they are REAL people. And it’s happening now.

As I said, I can’t think of a better time for this march to take place TBH.
Why didn't you suggest it then last year for the war in Ukraine?
 
Why didn't you suggest it then last year for the war in Ukraine?
Didn’t occur to me. I’m responding to events.

Would you have adopted the same position as you are now. And claimed it was a hate march against Russians? Or would you have been more sympathetic to a pro Ukraine protest? Calling for a ceasefire?
 
Didn’t occur to me. I’m responding to events.

Would you have adopted the same position as you are now. And claimed it was a hate march against Russians? Or would you have been more sympathetic to a pro Ukraine protest? Calling for a ceasefire?
Yes i would. Remembrance sunday/weekend is time to reflect on past events and lives lost for people of this country and is the way it should be kept. It's not about events that are happening overseas. And have I said this weekends protests is a hate march? Don't think so. Simply said it shouldn't be taking place this weekend when i really don't see what the issue is for holding it next weekend. So is there any valid reason why it couldn't be held next weekend which even you should admit would make it a lot less controversial.
 
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Yes i would. Remembrance sunday/weekend is time to reflect on past events and lives lost for people of this country and is the way it should be kept. It's about events that are happening overseas. And have I said this weekends protests is a hate march? Don't think so. Simply said it shouldn't be taking place this weekend when i really don't see what the issue is for holding it next weekend. So is there any valid reason why it couldn't be held next weekend which even you should admit would make it a lot less controversial.
Hmmmm. Well we’re talking hypothetically as there wasn’t a thread last year about a pro Ukrainian peace march so we don’t really know how you would have reacted if there had been. IMO the above reply is coloured by the position you’ve taken about this particular march.

As for the timing of this march, I’m not convinced by your argument that you’d be quite relaxed about the march happening on any other weekend. In fact I’m pretty sure if we revisit Welsh Phil’s thread about the march last week or the week before (when he wanted the troops called out), we could find some less than supportive posts about a march that wasn’t over this weekend.

I’ll leave that to others though because it’s my teatime.
 
Hmmmm. Well we’re talking hypothetically as there wasn’t a thread last year about a pro Ukrainian peace march so we don’t really know how you would have reacted if there had been. IMO the above reply is coloured by the position you’ve taken about this particular march.

As for the timing of this march, I’m not convinced by your argument that you’d be quite relaxed about the march happening on any other weekend. In fact I’m pretty sure if we revisit Welsh Phil’s thread about the march last week or the week before (when he wanted the troops called out), we could find some less than supportive posts about a march that wasn’t over this weekend.

I’ll leave that to others though because it’s my teatime.
no worries, one final comment til something else rears it's head. I posed a hypothetical question yesterday which was pretty much avoided.
 
go on then one more comment. I've just quickly skimmed Phils thread and nothing untoward said by me. With regards to marches i simply said there were many on the march singing/chanting anti semitic songs which is a hate crime. And I expect there will be the same songs happen this saturday. So in effect hate chants happening on the weekend where this nation remembers all those who lost their lives in previous wars. But hey, you seem happy for that to happen.
 
Absolutely laughable comment you hypocrite. Remind me when the boot was on the other foot when the BLM marches were happening and Churchills statue was defaced and a statue pulled down in Bristol. Historical events you didn't like and no doubt you were on here whipping up the hatred.
No 20s, you are wrong here.
 
and along comes the anti semite. No surprise there. Not hasty backtracking either on anything except i got the number of war memorials desecrated by protestors wrong.

You need to change your name to 10,000gone including 4,000 children
 
wrong on what? That plenty of left wingers on here were defending the actions of what happened on those marches?
Wrong on your intentions. You want to breed difference, you want two fighting sides, you want confrontation. You plead innocence but it doesn't wash.
 
Wrong on your intentions. You want to breed difference, you want two fighting sides, you want confrontation. You plead innocence but it doesn't wash.
tosh! I'd suggest with you backing the march taking place this weekend then that is every much your intention. After all, I don't have a problem with it next weekend and i doubt you would too. It's you that is happy with the confrontation to take place this weekend. It all could have been avoided and you full well know that.
 
no worries, one final comment til something else rears it's head. I posed a hypothetical question yesterday which was pretty much avoided.

Because it was a really stupid question.

Nobody has ever asked for an anti war march to take place at the same time and place as the Remembrance Sunday ceremony. And I am pretty sure that nobody will ever ask for that. So the hypothetical situation you envisage could never occur. It was just a stupid attempt at a straw man argument and if anyone rose to the bait you would, no doubt, accuse them of hypocrisy of some sort.

In the meantime you want all of the things that you approve of to go ahead on 11th November [like football etc,]. But the things you disapprove of must be stopped. Thankfully our freedom doesn't work like that and as the head of the Met has stated there is no no valid reason why the march cannot go ahead.
 
And once again you deliberately fail to mention the other 1,400 in all this that we’re massacred.
To be honest I can’t see your logic.

A attacks B.

That means B is entitled to attack C (C standing for Children).

But D isn’t allowed to point out that B attacking C is wrong. Unless D caveats every statement with “But don’t forget A attacked B first”.

Everyone knows A attacked B first. Why does it have to be repeated everytime?
 
Because it was a really stupid question.

Nobody has ever asked for an anti war march to take place at the same time and place as the Remembrance Sunday ceremony. And I am pretty sure that nobody will ever ask for that. So the hypothetical situation you envisage could never occur. It was just a stupid attempt at a straw man argument and if anyone rose to the bait you would, no doubt, accuse them of hypocrisy of some sort.

In the meantime you want all of the things that you approve of to go ahead on 11th November [like football etc,]. But the things you disapprove of must be stopped. Thankfully our freedom doesn't work like that and as the head of the Met has stated there is no reason why the march cannot go ahead.
utter nonsense. You forget the basics. Events like football matches and other sporting events have always taken place at this particular weekend and those attending these events stop and pay a minutes silence out of respect for all the lives lost. And that happens on a saturday as well as a someday and it's been happening for many many years. You somehow can't grasp that fact. It's got absolute fuck all to do with what I approve of., it's what HAPPENS. And nor is it a decision that has anything to do with me.
 
..including those who in the last day ore two have vandalised at least three cenotaphs where we remember our war dead. All in the name of peace! Yeah right.
You can focus on that if you wish. There are always going to be individuals who behave badly. and do unacceptable things.My post was about the large events un London that have been the focus of controversy this week.
 
To be honest I can’t see your logic.

A attacks B.

That means B is entitled to attack C (C standing for Children).

But D isn’t allowed to point out that B attacking C is wrong. Unless D caveats every statement with “But don’t forget A attacked B first”.

Everyone knows A attacked B first. Why does it have to be repeated everytime?
And A after attacking B uses C as a human shield ,the convenient bit you left out, but hey in your eyes it's all B's fault.
 
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utter nonsense. You forget the basics. Events like football matches and other sporting events have always taken place at this particular weekend and those attending these events stop and pay a minutes silence out of respect for all the lives lost. And that happens on a saturday as well as a someday and it's been happening for many many years. You somehow can't grasp that fact. It's got absolute fuck all to do with what I approve of., it's what HAPPENS.

It has everything to do with what you approve of, and your personal preferences. We can gather from your posts that you approve of sports going ahead but not marches.

However there are lots of people in the world who don't share your ideas of what should happen. Some of them think that doing something to try to stop the slaughter of civilians now is very important. As Mex points out, it is actually very appropriate that this march takes place given the context.

Why should your view prevail over theirs? Who made you god?

All your faux outrage is on behalf of who? The grandson of Britain's greatest war time leader has said that the march should go ahead. Well played fatty Soames, he at least understands what liberty is.
 
And A after attacking B uses C as a human shield ,the convenient bit you left out, but hey in your eyes it's all B's fault.
Nope. I’ve never said it’s all B’s fault.

What I’ve actually said is A’s a shit. B is close to and has probably exceeded A’s level of shit (certainly so far as the body count is concerned). And C is the victim for what’s happening now. Which is being driven by B.

By the way. B is not every Jewish person. It’s specifically Benjamin Netanyahu and his right wing government. Whose main objective is to save their political necks for not stopping A from attacking. Regardless of the suffering of C the neck saving involves.
 
It has everything to do with what you approve of, and your personal preferences. We can gather from your posts that you approve of sports going ahead but not marches.

However there are lots of people in the world who don't share your ideas of what should happen. Some of them think that doing something to try to stop the slaughter of civilians now is very important. As Mex points out, it is actually very appropriate that this march takes place given the context.

Why should your view prevail over theirs? Who made you god?

All your faux outrage is on behalf of who? The grandson of Britain's greatest war time leader has said that the march should go ahead. Well played fatty Soames, he at least understands what liberty is.
do shut the fuck up. As I said in my previous post, it's not my decision that sporting events take place on this weekend. They've been happening since i was kid and first started going football matches over 60 years ago, Absolutely nothing to do with me any decision made on this and if it was a case that no events had taken place then that's the way I would have been brought up to think. What's so difficult to grasp about that and that this weekend is where millions of people come together to pay their respects. You make it sound a bad thing with your illogical nonsense.

I've made my views very clear, And guess what. It's a view shared by millions of others in this country! Just as yours are. You don't seem to be able to recognise that when it comes to your god comment you clown.
 
And A after attacking B uses C as a human shield ,the convenient bit you left out, but hey in your eyes it's all B's fault.
James O Brien made a pertinent point. If Hames were hiding in Tel Aviv buildings would the Israeli government bomb them and accuse hamas of using human shields?
 
Nope. I’ve never said it’s all B’s fault.

What I’ve actually said is A’s a shit. B is close to and has probably exceeded A’s level of shit (certainly so far as the body count is concerned). And C is the victim for what’s happening now. Which is being driven by B.

By the way. B is not every Jewish person. It’s specifically Benjamin Netanyahu and his right wing government. Whose main objective is to save their political necks for not stopping A from attacking. Regardless of the suffering of C the neck saving involves.
seems you conveniently didn't want to put it like that first time around.
 
James O Brien made a pertinent point. If Hames were hiding in Tel Aviv buildings would the Israeli government bomb them and accuse hamas of using human shields?
hang on a mo, hypothetical questions aren't allowed on here. Unless it suits you to do so of course.
 
do shut the fuck up. As I said in my previous post, it's not my decision that sporting events take place on this weekend. They've been happening since i was kid and first started going football matches over 60 years ago, Absolutely nothing to do with me any decision made on this and if it was a case that no events had taken place then that's the way I would have been brought up to think. What's so difficult to grasp about that and that this weekend is where millions of people come together to pay their respects. You make it sound a bad thing with your illogical nonsense.

I've made my views very clear, And guess what. It's a view shared by millions of others in this country! Just as yours are. You don't seem to be able to recognise that when it comes to your god comment you clown.
So I’m clear…..

It’s ok to have footy matches on this weekend, even though people should actually be remembering the fallen of the two world wars, because it’s always happened.

But it’d be very wrong to have a peace March on the same weekend, because it’s new.

Oh and violence could happen at either event. But it’s only violence occurring around the peace march that’s beyond the pale. Even if caused by football hooligans (who should actually be watching football).

Well yes. That all makes perfect sense.
 
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