Sending asylum seekers to Rwanda

Those bloody illegal immigrants taking our benefits and taking our jobs.....mmm let's think that one through.
Western Europe has a huge demographic problem which is not sustainable unless there is a massive upsurge in birthrates, which isn't going to happen. Over here we can't have a grown up debate, the easy fix is to allow more immigrants but the ukip (now tory) vote was built on demonising immigration. I see the usual arguments about there not being enough capacity, frankly that it BS theses issues have been caused by policies such as austerity.
In Germany Merkel realised the problem and allowed 1m immigrants to enter. We cannot afford the amount of pensioners we have now and the problem will get far worse.
 
Goforgoal said:
No, I am referring to the whole system. The one I contributed to for, as I said 52 years, and no I am not and never have been very rich. But now I am retired, I receive my pension and free prescriptions and thats it. I know several people who have rarely, some never, worked in their lives yet they get a pension + top ups , free dental treatment including dentures if required, spectacles, when needed, help with rent, council tax, need I go on. All those extras mentioned I have to pay for because I was foolish enough to work for a living. And now you expect me to welcome with open arms anyone else from anywhere else and keep them as well, no thanks. I will add, when I say keep them as well that’s because I contribute to their upkeep as at 80 years of age I stll pay income tax on my meagre pension. Goodnight.
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Classic case of blaming some of the poorest people whilst ignoring tax dodging billionaires. The press (papers are owned by the rich) have certainly done a number on vast swathes of the population. Ever seen the cartoon which has 3 people sat round a table. It shows one man with twenty biscuits, one man with one and another with zero. The bloke with twenty biscuits, whispers to the bloke with one (whilst pointing at the bloke with none) "watch out he's after your biscuit"
Divide and rule, the plebs are at each others throats.
 
Shameful policy. Shoveling people off to Africa so that we can forget about them. Many have suffered greatly before and in the process of getting here. Israel sent asylum seekers to Rwanda for a few years before abandoning the policy. Most of those sent there left Rwanda and were likely to have re started their journey. Wont stop people smuggling and quite likely to be ineffective as well as very costly. Will surely face legal challenges.
See below for comments reported in today's Independent concerning Rwanda' s human rights record.
"A statement by the UK’s international ambassador for human rights Rita French in July 2021 expressed “regret” that Rwanda was not conducting “transparent, credible and independent investigations into allegations of human rights violations including deaths in custody and torture”.

She added: “We were disappointed that Rwanda did not support the UK recommendation to screen, identify and provide support to trafficking victims"
 
It all appeared a bit rushed yesterday for some reason. There's a distinct lack of detail and as such is hard to debate. Didn't Macron offer to allow British immigration officers to work in France in joint processing centres? Surely that would be cheaper and more effective.
 
Wizaard said:
No one is saying one or the other. All I'm saying is that it's a pittance in the wider scheme of things. We find money at the drop of a hat when it suits.
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And then you rear up about it. Can’t win with you lot.
 
Call it what you want, but the problem won’t go away with a resignation to quell the froth.
 
southshorepool said:
Was Madagascar not available?
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That was one of the Nazis “solutions” wasn’t it, send the Jews to Madagascar!

Reports say up to 600 Single Male Asylum Seekers (most likely to be economic refugees according to Herr Patel) a year sent in batches of 100 at a time on a budget of £120M a year - which works out at £200,000 a pop.

Why not just hand these lads £100,000 when they arrive and say “off you go, see what you can do with this but that’s your lot ” you never know, not only will it save £60M but these lads might start businesses and give jobs to our unemployed- win/win innit

PS - in 2020 the UK accepted 100% of asylum claims made by refugees from, go on, guess where, correct, Rwanda!
 
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Shandypants said:
Classic case of blaming some of the poorest people whilst ignoring tax dodging billionaires. The press (papers are owned by the rich) have certainly done a number on vast swathes of the population. Ever seen the cartoon which has 3 people sat round a table. It shows one man with twenty biscuits, one man with one and another with zero. The bloke with twenty biscuits, whispers to the bloke with one (whilst pointing at the bloke with none) "watch out he's after your biscuit"
Divide and rule, the plebs are at each others throats.
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Not blaming the”poorest” blaming the laziest.
 
gjr69 said:
Yet so many of you still vote tory! After more than a.decade of them we don't have enough schools and hospitals, the transport system is 2nd rate and green spaces are being covered in souless housing estates.
Immigrants aren't the major problem, Tory policies are, when will you all wake up.
I'm not saying Labour are the answer either because they are trying to be a watered down Tory party!!
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So wh we gonna vote for?
 
Lala said:
We can‘t even afford the pensions either. Hence the continual rise in retirement age.
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I really can't figure that one out, Lala. We either pay out pensions or we pay out unemployment benefits for those who can't find work because the old 'uns are hogging the jobs.
 
EagleDay said:
I really can't figure that one out, Lala. We either pay out pensions or we pay out unemployment benefits for those who can't find work because the old 'uns are hogging the jobs.
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That's why I admire brr3 for retiring VERY EARLY INDEED and letting a youngster take over pushing the tea trolley.😂
 
Shandypants said:
Those bloody illegal immigrants taking our benefits and taking our jobs.....mmm let's think that one through.
Western Europe has a huge demographic problem which is not sustainable unless there is a massive upsurge in birthrates, which isn't going to happen. Over here we can't have a grown up debate, the easy fix is to allow more immigrants but the ukip (now tory) vote was built on demonising immigration. I see the usual arguments about there not being enough capacity, frankly that it BS theses issues have been caused by policies such as austerity.
In Germany Merkel realised the problem and allowed 1m immigrants to enter. We cannot afford the amount of pensioners we have now and the problem will get far worse.
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Thanks Shandy. Very tiring day yesterday so it was enough I could do to get some on here to expose their own 'issues'.
 
1966_and_all_that said:
Thanks Shandy. Very tiring day yesterday so it was enough I could do to get some on here to expose their own 'issues'.
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It was about the uncontrolled immigration of economic migrants, not immigration per se. But some people can't help jumping on the racist bandwagon. Any road up, I'm off to the match now, ta ta.
 
EagleDay said:
So wh we gonna vote for?
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not much of an option is there?
Self serving privileged types with no interest in the North of England once they have secured your vote or virtue signalling crowd who don't deal with the issues that most of us are concerned with.
Throw in a relic of a voting system and 'who are we gonna vote for?' is a very difficult question.
 
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gjr69 said:
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not much of an option is there?
Self serving privileged types with no interest in the North of England once they have secured your vote or virtue signalling crowd who don't deal with the issues that most of us are concerned with.
Throw in a relic of a voting system and 'who are we gonna vote for?' is a very difficult question.
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Spot on.
 
Heartless cruel policy. Bozo looks at the World map and thinks let's find a landlocked African country famous for genocide where we can send a handful of poor souls.
Then the plebs who voted for us last time will believe we're actually solving the immigration problem.
The guy is a class one bellend. Anyone who believes a thing that comes out of his mouth must still believe in fairies or more aptly fairy stories.
 
Scaramanga said:
Not really, Australia has a similar programme. Is everyone in favour of people trafficking ?
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Australia are abandoning theirs and even if they weren't it hardly makes it right us sending people to Rwanda any better than the shameful act it is. Rwanda very active in the human rights field, in terms of complaints against them. And the fact that we are taking in refugees fleeing persecution there says it all
 
Goforgoal said:
No, I am referring to the whole system. The one I contributed to for, as I said 52 years, and no I am not and never have been very rich. But now I am retired, I receive my pension and free prescriptions and thats it. I know several people who have rarely, some never, worked in their lives yet they get a pension + top ups , free dental treatment including dentures if required, spectacles, when needed, help with rent, council tax, need I go on. All those extras mentioned I have to pay for because I was foolish enough to work for a living. And now you expect me to welcome with open arms anyone else from anywhere else and keep them as well, no thanks. I will add, when I say keep them as well that’s because I contribute to their upkeep as at 80 years of age I stll pay income tax on my meagre pension. Goodnight.
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Too bloody true, it costs nearly £200 a time for varifocals, and get no help with anything else. Too many self-proclaimed pension experts seem to think we have money thrown at us, and like you, I still pay income tax on pensions that still don't amount to minimum wage.
 
Sod rip off varifocals pay a quid for Poundland reading glasses and switch between them and your distance specs as required.
 
I see the Rwanda policy has been forced through by Priti through Ministerial directive after the civil servants pointed out it was very poor value for money and unlikely to meet the objective.

Carry on voting for her. We'll carry on pointing out it comes down to you who voted for the Tories.
 
Wizaard said:
I see the Rwanda policy has been forced through by Priti through Ministerial directive after the civil servants pointed out it was very poor value for money and unlikely to meet the objective.

Carry on voting for her. We'll carry on pointing out it comes down to you who voted for the Tories.
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Reported today that Civil Service unions are considering action as members dont want to implement this policy.
 
Will probably be a vote winner this policy with a lot of electors. Even those who have never voted Conservative.
 
Trammo said:
Will probably be a vote winner this policy with a lot of electors. Even those who have never voted Conservative.
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With those with an insular view of society and lacking any common humanity and concern for the oppressed. No doubt it will also be popular with the ill-educated. Note that these two groups overlap to a considerable extent.
 
Matesrates said:
All the outrage towards the government to do something to stop the channel crossings, and now the very same people are outraged at a plan to deter them, hypocrites. It’s quite simple, you can choose to get in a dinghy, cross the channel and be sent to Rwanda, or stay in that safe country France.
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The hypocrisy is that the government says it's against human trafficking and then wants to traffick humans to Africa.
 
Halifax71 said:
Not clear exactly what the issue is here.

Ignoring the financials why is this wrong?

Is the suggestion that Rwanda is not safe - someone above says it's cruel, and the Archbishop had chipped in today with "ungodly". What am I missing?


www.bbc.co.uk

UK's Rwanda asylum plan the 'opposite of nature of God' - Welby

There were "serious ethical questions" over sending migrants to east Africa, Justin Welby says.
www.bbc.co.uk
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Last year we were taking in refugees from Rwanda escaping persecution.

Is that what you're missing?
 
First off, we certainly have a problem with illegal immigration. It’s not unique to the UK, it’s a worldwide issue that’s on the increase, and needs tackling.
But….

Rwanda aren’t doing this out of humanitarian concern, they stand to make a lot of money. We’re doing this to supposedly stop the barbaric trade in people smuggling (a process where unscrupulous people make lots of money from desperate people’s misery), by paying lots of money to a different group of unscrupulous people.
Nor is Rwanda doing this because they want more people in their country - Israel had a similar agreement between 2014 and 2017, and their data showed that almost all those people sent to Rwanda left the country almost immediately, most rejoining the people smuggling trail.
Rwanda has a terrible human rights record - 10 months ago Rita French, UK’s Global Human Rights Ambassador, was condemning Rwanda for it’s lack of investigation and transparency towards human rights abuses. Rwandan asylum seekers now resident in the UK are horrified about the new deal, yet Boris Johnson said the other day that “Rwanda is one of the safest countries in the world….globally recognised for its success’s in welcoming and assimilating asylum seekers and refugees” (most of the 150,000 or so refugees currently in Rwanda aren’t allowed to work). Somebody’s lying, guess who?
The UNHCR, and around 150 world charities linked to human rights, refugees and asylum seekers have condemned the deal.
The list goes on…..

Yes, something needs doing, but I’m pretty sure that this isn’t the answer.

Sorry for the long post.
 
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