That's probably it for me now

It's a shite post but I don't get all the pelters he's getting... who gives a fuck? He's probably only posted it for a reaction 🤣
 
td53 said:
@Adams Kebab

That Huddersfield away game was probably the best half I've seen in terms of us attacking and pressuring the opponent. We were brilliant against Reading in that's 30 mins but that doesn't really count as they were total shite at that point.

Yates, Madine, Bowler, Keshi, Carey and Gabriel charging forward.

That team picked itself cos no one else was fit and it was class to watch till Carey got crocked and Gabriel saw red.
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I still wonder how differently things might have turned out if Carey hadn't been crocked. Whatever division you play in you need a bit of flair from somewhere. Otherwise where's the buzz? Let's hope summer is kind to us and we land that driving, skilful midfielder. Looking forward to it already...
 
The only manager who ever got us playing genuinely attractive football is utterly despised by Phil. Mainly because that manager is taller and has more hair.
 
Jesus I must have missed this thread as I was busy at work today, It's just a game of football & we all want better always! We've secured our Championship status, which was the prime objective & I got a bit giddy along with a few others too. There's many more important things to get wound up about. As for football managers I've never fully understood why they do the things & select the players they do & that's just us, over many years. I hope we now can really give it a go with some of the newer players integrated into the spine of the team & let's play for the right to represent Blackpool next season & hopefully finish as high as possible & if that's above PNE then even better.
 
Phil and Jord took an instant dislike to Critch and wanted rid of him at an early stage now there is no going back they want the Club to succeed but not the head coach.

It's another Andy Murray,Lewis Hamilton or Gareth Southgate for example situation it doesn't matter what they achieve or good they do for others they'll never be able to give them any credit for anything and be quick on NC case when things aren't going right.

At some point Neil will leave and they will get their wish and it might be a Holloway and we get better or a leaving Holloway and worse.
 
I haven’t got a problem with Critchley he's done a decent enough job after an horrendous start with us

I just don't think he's the tactical genius that many on here think he is

Like i said he's done ok
 
Philbfctrois said:
I haven’t got a problem with Critchley he's done a decent enough job after an horrendous start with us

I just don't think he's the tactical genius that many on here think he is

Like i said he's done ok
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I suspect a lot of that has to do with the fact that he’s operating at a level, which is far beyond you/me and the average fan. Of course, it doesn’t always work and resources and injuries play a part, but by and large (especially when we look at our fellow promoted sides) he’s done a very good job for a first season in the Championship.

Again, in some ways that’s maybe why you have found Grayson and Ince more to your ‘tastes’ or at least have been able to appreciate them, because they adopt a much more basic tactical approach to the game. So to that extent at least you can see and partially understand what they are trying to do.

Maybe next season we could arrange for one of those ‘fly on the wall’ type documentaries, where you spend a few weeks working alongside young Pep.

I honestly think you’d come away from it in complete awe of the level of detail that goes into our games right now…..👍
 
Philbfctrois said:
This season

I can't imagine i will bother with any more matches until next season now there is nothing to play for

Done about 28 games so thats not too bad

1 point from the last 9 has just killed the season

The entertainment factor this season has been minimal to be honest, we have ground out some decent results but it's hardly been edge of the seat stuff

We struggle to create chances and are reliant on a strong defensive shape

Mid table probably about right given how many points we have thrown away in the last 5 mins or so of matches

Desperate in need of a creative midfield player to unlock defences and it will be interesting to see what pans out with Bowler and how we replace him if he goes

Big transfer summer this to see if we can kick on

Hopefully we can sign some key starters who will improve the team
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Could’ve sworn I’d blocked this muppet at least three times?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I suspect a lot of that has to do with the fact that he’s operating at a level, which is far beyond you/me and the average fan. Of course, it doesn’t always work and resources and injuries play a part, but by and large (especially when we look at our fellow promoted sides) he’s done a very good job for a first season in the Championship.

Again, in some ways that’s maybe why you have found Grayson and Ince more to your ‘tastes’ or at least have been able to appreciate them, because they adopt a much more basic tactical approach to the game. So to that extent at least you can see and partially understand what they are trying to do.

Maybe next season we could arrange for one of those ‘fly on the wall’ type documentaries, where you spend a few weeks working alongside young Pep.

I honestly think you’d come away from it in complete awe of the level of detail that goes into our games right now…..👍
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The football is very similar to what we had with Grayson and Ince

It might be packaged slightly different but its the same product
 
Philbfctrois said:
The entertainment factor this season has been minimal to be honest, we have ground out some decent results but it's hardly been edge of the seat stuff
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I'm going to go and stand in the naughty corner with @Philbfctrois as I actually agree with him. I have been a bit bored this season during games. Job done to stay in the Championship but I hope we let the shackles off with better players next season now he's sussed this league out.
 
Philbfctrois said:
The football is very similar to what we had with Grayson and Ince

It might be packaged slightly different but its the same product
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I've noticed that most coaches insist on starting with 11 players and always a keeper, some defenders, some midfielders and some forward players. If that's all they can offer, you do have to question the mega bucks deals they get. When was the last time someone invented a new position?
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I suspect a lot of that has to do with the fact that he’s operating at a level, which is far beyond you/me and the average fan. Of course, it doesn’t always work and resources and injuries play a part, but by and large (especially when we look at our fellow promoted sides) he’s done a very good job for a first season in the Championship.

Again, in some ways that’s maybe why you have found Grayson and Ince more to your ‘tastes’ or at least have been able to appreciate them, because they adopt a much more basic tactical approach to the game. So to that extent at least you can see and partially understand what they are trying to do.

Maybe next season we could arrange for one of those ‘fly on the wall’ type documentaries, where you spend a few weeks working alongside young Pep.

I honestly think you’d come away from it in complete awe of the level of detail that goes into our games right now…..👍
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'Pep and Pip: Rioja and Rhyl'

If Netflix don't do it, Channel 5 will...
 
Philbfctrois said:
The football is very similar to what we had with Grayson and Ince

It might be packaged slightly different but its the same product
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That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it Phil.

As I said on another post, I’m 100% certain that we’d have been relegated under the leadership of Grayson, likewise Ince. They’re just not in the same league.

When you have players like Keogh and Madine (both who’ve been around the block) holding the manager up as a genius and stating that they are learning new things about the game under his leadership, then that tells you all you need to know.

He’s crafted sone incredible results this season and I’ve seen us match and often outplay many of the best sides the Championship has to offer.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
That’s a very simplistic way of looking at it Phil.

As I said on another post, I’m 100% certain that we’d have been relegated under the leadership of Grayson, likewise Ince. They’re just not in the same league.

When you have players like Keogh and Madine (both who’ve been around the block) holding the manager up as a genius and stating that they are learning new things about the game under his leadership, then that tells you all you need to know.

He’s crafted sone incredible results this season and I’ve seen us match and often outplay many of the best sides the Championship has to offer.
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Nah not having it

We basically play a 442 with a big man little man combo and 2 holding midfield players, its like football in the 1980s

Hardly revolutionary tactics and to be honest quite dull to watch at times as we create very little from central midfield
 
Philbfctrois said:
This season

I can't imagine i will bother with any more matches until next season now there is nothing to play for

Done about 28 games so thats not too bad

1 point from the last 9 has just killed the season

The entertainment factor this season has been minimal to be honest, we have ground out some decent results but it's hardly been edge of the seat stuff

We struggle to create chances and are reliant on a strong defensive shape

Mid table probably about right given how many points we have thrown away in the last 5 mins or so of matches

Desperate in need of a creative midfield player to unlock defences and it will be interesting to see what pans out with Bowler and how we replace him if he goes

Big transfer summer this to see if we can kick on

Hopefully we can sign some key starters who will improve the team
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You honestly can take the next 5 years off if you like Work on your material … it’s a bit tired tbf
 
straightatthewall said:
I've noticed that most coaches insist on starting with 11 players and always a keeper, some defenders, some midfielders and some forward players. If that's all they can offer, you do have to question the mega bucks deals they get. When was the last time someone invented a new position?
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Wing backs and player in the hole?
 
Philbfctrois said:
Nah not having it

We basically play a 442 with a big man little man combo and 2 holding midfield players, its like football in the 1980s

Hardly revolutionary tactics and to be honest quite dull to watch at times as we create very little from central midfield
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Like I say, if you want to break it down to your own level of understanding then that’s fine, but I think you’re being unfair and probably more than a bit awkward 😉

I’ve seen enough to satisfy myself that there’s much more to our success (and let’s make no mistake, this season has been an overwhelming success) than the basics of how we set up….

You’d likely appreciate it much more if you saw him working close up. He’s streets ahead of Captain Flip Chart 😂
 
Philbfctrois said:
Nah not having it

We basically play a 442 with a big man little man combo and 2 holding midfield players, its like football in the 1980s

Hardly revolutionary tactics and to be honest quite dull to watch at times as we create very little from central midfield
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That ignores the fact that we have genuine wingers in play who are in the team solely to attack.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Like I say, if you want to break it down to your own level of understanding then that’s fine, but I think you’re being unfair and probably more than a bit awkward 😉

I’ve seen enough to satisfy myself that there’s much more to our success (and let’s make no mistake, this season has been an overwhelming success) than the basics of how we set up….

You’d likely appreciate it much more if you saw him working close up. He’s streets ahead of Captain Flip Chart 😂
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Its been ok this season nothing more

I'm not falling into the inferiority complex mentality that effects most of our fanbase though

I never thought we would be relegated as the truth is there are some pretty gash teams in the competition including 2 clubs that have had points deductions

16th isn't really a success infact its a bit meh considering how many points we have thrown away from winning positions

I think the Preston away game showed up the managers limitations. That was a must win game for our fans and we lost without even putting up a fight

We didn't even have a shot on target and probably lost out on more 50/50 challenges than any other match this season
 
Philbfctrois said:
Its been ok this season nothing more

I'm not falling into the inferiority complex mentality that effects most of our fanbase though

I never thought we would be relegated as the truth is there are some pretty gash teams in the competition including 2 clubs that have had points deductions

16th isn't really a success infact its a bit meh considering how many points we have thrown away from winning positions

I think the Preston away game showed up the managers limitations. That was a must win game for our fans and we lost without even putting up a fight

We didn't even have a shot on target and probably lost out on more 50/50 challenges than any other match this season
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You can’t boil an entire season’s work down to a single away game. Least of all an away game that saw us severely hampered through injury and loss of individual form. It’s a blip (nothing more) and to suggest anything else shows a lack of control over your personal emotions.

The season isn’t over for the rest of us either, so let’s see where we end up… To be sitting 4 places and 9 points ahead of last season’s promoted L1 Champions and with Peterborough relegated, I’m struggling to see why you don’t see this season as a success.

What would be success to you ? (And I’m not interested in what wouldn’t be😉)
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
You can’t boil an entire season’s work down to a single away game. Least of all an away game that saw us severely hampered through injury and loss of individual form. It’s a blip (nothing more) and to suggest anything else shows a lack of control over your personal emotions.

The season isn’t over for the rest of us either, so let’s see where we end up… To be sitting 4 places and 9 points ahead of last season’s promoted L1 Champions and with Peterborough relegated, I’m struggling to see why you don’t see this season as a success.

What would be success to you ? (And I’m not interested in what wouldn’t be😉)
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I think top 10 would be a success chasing for a play off place, we have fallen a bit short of that

Like i said its been ok but too many times this season we have fallen short

Derby and Birmingham away were very poor performances where we didn't create, as was QPR away losing against 10 men

Stoke, Huddersfield and Luton at home were also very poor

So its not just one game where we failed to compete and create goal scoring opportunities

So yeah i will say it again its been an ok ish type of season

Suppose it all depends on how you measure success, i don't measure it on mediocrity
 
basilrobbie3 said:
Someone bookmark the fact that Phil wants a lot more from the club and manager. But he will throw a strop if they ask him to pay a few quid more for a season ticket...
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You really do struggle to comprehend that my views on ticket prices aren't about me old boy

Its about increasing our match day attendance and maximising our fanbase

Fuck all to do with what it costs me

And i really don't know how many times i can explain this to you
 
Philbfctrois said:
You really do struggle to comprehend that my views on ticket prices aren't about me old boy

Its about increasing our match day attendance and maximising our fanbase

Fuck all to do with what it costs me

And i really don't know how many times i can explain this to you
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For one thing you have no idea how much of a financial disadvantage we are at in this Division.

And for another, you can pretend all you like about your altruism. It doesn't ring true though.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I think top 10 would be a success chasing for a play off place, we have fallen a bit short of that

Like i said its been ok but too many times this season we have fallen short

Derby and Birmingham away were very poor performances where we didn't create, as was QPR away losing against 10 men

Stoke, Huddersfield and Luton at home were also very poor

So its not just one game where we failed to compete and create goal scoring opportunities

So yeah i will say it again its been an ok ish type of season

Suppose it all depends on how you measure success, i don't measure it on mediocrity
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So it sounds like your measure is pretty binary, with no real room for ‘measured’ or ‘staged’ progress.

For me, the games you highlight just reinforce how tough and competitive this league is.

There’s no easy games and for a side like us, with limited resources and having just come up, it tough to navigate a way through that….. Weaknesses are exposed, mistakes are punished and nobody is going to give you the points easily.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So it sounds like your measure is pretty binary, with no real room for ‘measured’ or ‘staged’ progress.

For me, the games you highlight just reinforce how tough and competitive this league is.

There’s no easy games and for a side like us, with limited resources and having just come up, it tough to navigate a way through that….. Weaknesses are exposed, mistakes are punished and nobody is going to give you the points easily.
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I think a club like Luton is probably a decent comparison to us
Small club with a lower average attendance than we get yet are fighting for a play off place
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So they finished

19th on 51 points in their first season in the Championship.

12th on 62 points last season


So are we already surpassing their achievements??
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Yeah i guess so if you want to use historical data to make a point

I think this first season for us back in the Championship was a massive chance for us, feel good factor, Oyston free etc coming off the back of a lockdown with a bright young manager and new owner

So yeah I'm comparing a smaller club to us on this seasons performance

When you look at the crowds in our division there are only really about 10 clubs who get considerably more fans through the gate giving them that financial advantage that i keep hearing about and to be honest to pick up on BRRs point i think we should be getting at least another couple of thousand home fans through the gate (if the price was right) meaning that the so called advantage is minimal
 
Philbfctrois said:
Yeah i guess so if you want to use historical data to make a point

I think this first season for us back in the Championship was a massive chance for us, feel good factor, Oyston free etc coming off the back of a lockdown with a bright young manager and new owner

So yeah I'm comparing a smaller club to us on this seasons performance

When you look at the crowds in our division there are only really about 10 clubs who get considerably more fans through the gate giving them that financial advantage that i keep hearing about and to be honest to pick up on BRRs point i think we should be getting at least another couple of thousand home fans through the gate (if the price was right) meaning that the so called advantage is minimal.
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I’m not sure that the feel good factor from the fans is really much of a basis to determine success or failure tbh. Plus every newly promoted side is the same.

As a club, we’ve barely had chance to catch breath since Sadler took over and so some consolidation was going to be needed.

Crowds mean very little, unless your at the very top end of the pile. The big issue for Clubs like us is the disparity that results from parachute payments.
 
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I haven’t added any of my foolishness recently due to circumstances. I just don’t get the reasoning of some. For me there is no dead match. There is no poor match. There is no dire football. When, with thousands of others I went boycotting I thought, at my age, that with the stubbornness of the odious ones I might never see my beloved team at Bloomfield Road again. It depressed me immensely. So now I am so excited going to each game seeing each game as a new adventure to be appreciated because at my age you never know! It might be my farewell match! Lol!
 
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BFC_BFC_BFC said:
So they finished

19th on 51 points in their first season in the Championship.

12th on 62 points last season


So are we already surpassing their achievements??
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Or Coventry promoted two seasons ago last year finished 16th now currently 10th.

People want things to happen to quickly when if you look who started on Saturday eight of them where in Lge 1 last year it takes time.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I’m not sure that the feel good factor from the fans is really much of a basis to determine success or failure tbh.

As a club, we’ve barely had chance to catch breath since Sadler took over and so some consolidation was going to be needed.

Crowds mean very little, unless your at the very top end of the pile. The big issue for Clubs like us is the disparity that results from parachute payments.
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How many clubs still have parachute payments?

A club like Notts Forrest for example doesn’t nor do clubs like QPR, Preston, Blackburn, Luton or Millwall who are higher than us in the league

I think too much is made of this so called financial miss alignment

Surely it comes done to 11 against 11 on the pitch and given we are meant to have one of the best young coaches in the country leading and coaching our players we should have some sort of edge over the so called football dinosaurs

I'm not sure i really wanted to get into a long debate on all this as generally we have done ok

16th in the championship is alright and all a bit average imo

Its just a bit of a flat end to the season hence my OP
 
I usually enjoy a debate with Phil and of course some banter but I just can't be bothered on this thread.
Like I said right at the start of the Foggy book thread.
Insider said:
FFS Phil. Stop having a downer on everything and everybody.
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Insider said:
I usually enjoy a debate with Phil and of course some banter but I just can't be bothered on this thread.
Like I said right at the start of the Foggy book thread.
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I'm not having a downer I've said several times that we have done ok 👌

I'm just being honest saying i probably won't bother with any games now

And i appear to have copped a load of flak for it
 
Philbfctrois said:
How many clubs still have parachute payments?

A club like Notts Forrest for example doesn’t nor do clubs like QPR, Preston, Blackburn, Luton or Millwall who are higher than us in the league

I think too much is made of this so called financial miss alignment

Surely it comes done to 11 against 11 on the pitch and given we are meant to have one of the best young coaches in the country leading and coaching our players we should have some sort of edge over the so called football dinosaurs

I'm not sure i really wanted to get into a long debate on all this as generally we have done ok

16th in the championship is alright and all a bit average imo

Its just a bit of a flat end to the season hence my OP
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Notts Forest - £34M Losses
QPR - £21M Losses
PKE - £15M Losses
BB Rovers - £16 M Losses (reduced to £6M through player sales)
Millwall £13M Losses


Most of those clubs have much bigger expenditure and resources at their disposal than us and all are already established at this level…

Why not compare us to the co-promoted sides?

Why not compare us to Luton’s historic achievement since promotion?

You’re purposely drawing unequal comparisons to make an unfair point mate.

This season has been a great success by any reasonable measure.👍
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Notts Forest - £34M Losses
QPR - £21M Losses
PKE - £15M Losses
BB Rovers - £16 M Losses (reduced to £6M through player sales)
Millwall £13M Losses


Most of those clubs have much bigger expenditure and resources at their disposal than us and all are already established at this level…

Why not compare us to the co-promoted sides?

Why not compare us to Luton’s historic achievement since promotion?

You’re purposely drawing unequal comparisons to make an unfair point mate.

This season has been a great success by any reasonable measure.👍
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I'm not sure the relevance in posting losses, very few clubs if any at this level make profit as you well know

You think this season is a great success thats fine

I think it all a bit of an anti climax, thats also fine

Its just opinions 🤷
 
Philbfctrois said:
Yeah i guess so if you want to use historical data to make a point

I think this first season for us back in the Championship was a massive chance for us, feel good factor, Oyston free etc coming off the back of a lockdown with a bright young manager and new owner

So yeah I'm comparing a smaller club to us on this seasons performance

When you look at the crowds in our division there are only really about 10 clubs who get considerably more fans through the gate giving them that financial advantage that i keep hearing about and to be honest to pick up on BRRs point i think we should be getting at least another couple of thousand home fans through the gate (if the price was right) meaning that the so called advantage is minimal
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I think your maths is a bit off Phil. An extra 2,000 on the gate brings in an extra million quid per season, give or take. Some of the clubs we are competing with have budgets five or six times the size of ours.

I don't disagree with you about gate receipts being important to us. But they only make a difference at the margins vis a vis our competitors.
 
Philbfctrois said:
I'm not sure the relevance in posting losses, very few clubs if any at this level make profit as you well know

You think this season is a great success thats fine

I think it all a bit of an anti climax, thats also fine

Its just opinions 🤷
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I was simply highlighting that those clubs are chucking far more money at it than us… despite the lack of parachute payments.

And you’re absolutely right, it is just opinions. I just don’t think yours stands up to scrutiny on this occasion.
 
basilrobbie3 said:
I think your maths is a bit off Phil. An extra 2,000 on the gate brings in an extra million quid per season, give or take. Some of the clubs we are competing with have budgets five or six times the size of ours.

I don't disagree with you about gate receipts being important to us. But they only make a difference at the margins vis a vis our competitors.
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Budgets set by the club themselves?

Anyone can set a budget Robbie
 
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