The British Public are Pathetic!

HatfulofHollow

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If I see one more moaning post on social media about these new changes, I swear I'll go and live in Wuhan. The fact is most aren't happy because they can't go and get their hair done or sit inside McDonalds. The changes are pretty bloody obvious to anyone with half a brain!

  • People will be allowed to take unlimited amounts of outdoor exercise, sit or sunbathe in parks and play sports with household members from Wednesday
  • Two people from different households will be able to meet in a park if they stay two metres apart
  • People who cannot work from home should return to the workplace - but avoid public transport
  • People should try to stay at home as much as possible
  • Public transport should be avoided if possible
  • Stricter guidelines remain in the rest of the UK
 
Have to agree - it was more petulant foot stamping than an understanding of what the next phase is. That said, it was delivered in a truly cack handed way.
 
There are unfortunately always those who want to pick holes in literally anything, just for sake of it ,or exercise their sense of importance.We will never live in a perfect world but by applying common sense we can make the best of what we have.
As an example on BBC breakfast a teacher had supposedly asked how on earth he/she was supposed to keep social distance between a class of 30 reception kids. Using common sense..
1) Time to plan..not back until June
2) All teachers return to the school
3) Split the three year group’s returning between teachers and classroom space as years 2-5 not in Schools
....not a teacher but does that make any sense?
 
There are unfortunately always those who want to pick holes in literally anything, just for sake of it ,or exercise their sense of importance.We will never live in a perfect world but by applying common sense we can make the best of what we have.
As an example on BBC breakfast a teacher had supposedly asked how on earth he/she was supposed to keep social distance between a class of 30 reception kids. Using common sense..
1) Time to plan..not back until June
2) All teachers return to the school
3) Split the three year group’s returning between teachers and classroom space as years 2-5 not in Schools
....not a teacher but does that make any sense?

Makes perfect sense

For the week or so that it's just yr1 and also assuming the teachers then stop delivering online content, making phone calls etc(yes, I know not ALL are, but many are) to the other year groups in order to teach year 1. It also assumes that there are no teachers who would need to remain shielded (which is a distinct possibility)

That not being obstructive, it's just pointing out some of the valid issues so they are understood. I'm a primary school governor (how very middle class of me!) and the headteacher is extremely keen to open but at the same time completely overwhelmed with the question of how.

I think limiting class sizes IS the answer but how schools do that when staffing and rooming and building size is (and has been forever) based around 30ish kids in a class is a complete mystery.

The question of profitability for public facing businesses (i.e - how do we make a living with half or a third of our usual customers allowed in?) is question of capacity for schools if that makes sense.
 
Makes perfect sense

For the week or so that it's just yr1 and also assuming the teachers then stop delivering online content, making phone calls etc(yes, I know not ALL are, but many are) to the other year groups in order to teach year 1. It also assumes that there are no teachers who would need to remain shielded (which is a distinct possibility)

That not being obstructive, it's just pointing out some of the valid issues so they are understood. I'm a primary school governor (how very middle class of me!) and the headteacher is extremely keen to open but at the same time completely overwhelmed with the question of how.

I think limiting class sizes IS the answer but how schools do that when staffing and rooming and building size is (and has been forever) based around 30ish kids in a class is a complete mystery.

The question of profitability for public facing businesses (i.e - how do we make a living with half or a third of our usual customers allowed in?) is question of capacity for schools if that makes sense.

and probably other public services I'd guess.

The 'coming out of lockdown' phase is the easy bit. It's the long 'social distancing in normal life' phase that comes next where the real difficult questions are imo.
 
There are unfortunately always those who want to pick holes in literally anything, just for sake of it ,or exercise their sense of importance.We will never live in a perfect world but by applying common sense we can make the best of what we have.
As an example on BBC breakfast a teacher had supposedly asked how on earth he/she was supposed to keep social distance between a class of 30 reception kids. Using common sense..
1) Time to plan..not back until June
2) All teachers return to the school
3) Split the three year group’s returning between teachers and classroom space as years 2-5 not in Schools
....not a teacher but does that make any sense?
So you space out young kids in the classroom, assuming there is space. What happens at break time? There is no way a bunch of 5 year olds who haven't seen each other for 6 weeks are going to not get close to each other.
 
So you space out young kids in the classroom, assuming there is space. What happens at break time? There is no way a bunch of 5 year olds who haven't seen each other for 6 weeks are going to not get close to each other.
absolutely agree with you, good and valid point. i also agree with td 53, how can a small tea room cafe with only a modest amount of tables already be told to take half or more of them out and be able to make a living. same with haidressers etc.
 
Why would we need to social distance kids in classrooms?

I thought that the emerging scientific advice is that kids are not at any significant risk from the virus nor are they likely to transmit the virus?

Perhaps a proportionate response would be to wear face masks when indoors.
 
absolutely agree with you, good and valid point. i also agree with td 53, how can a small tea room cafe with only a modest amount of tables already be told to take half or more of them out and be able to make a living. same with haidressers etc.
How does a hairdresser keep 2 metres away without being Edward Scissorhands?
 
If I see one more moaning post on social media about these new changes, I swear I'll go and live in Wuhan. The fact is most aren't happy because they can't go and get their hair done or sit inside McDonalds. The changes are pretty bloody obvious to anyone with half a brain!

  • People will be allowed to take unlimited amounts of outdoor exercise, sit or sunbathe in parks and play sports with household members from Wednesday
  • Two people from different households will be able to meet in a park if they stay two metres apart
  • People who cannot work from home should return to the workplace - but avoid public transport
  • People should try to stay at home as much as possible
  • Public transport should be avoided if possible
  • Stricter guidelines remain in the rest of the UK
1 People were doing most of that anyway.
2 Not on the park but when my lad & GF walk past our house I nip out to have a natter at distance.
3 Needs clarification, we have been split into 2 teams ATM & working at a reduced output I'm off this week (awaiting instructions from work if changing) no mention of those who are off with underlying health issues i.e. diabetics.
4 No change
5 Doesn't affect me, but will with people in the Cities.
6 This smacks of "We are in charge" no consultations with Scots Welsh or Irish or no attention to their concerns.
 
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Why would we need to social distance kids in classrooms?

I thought that the emerging scientific advice is that kids are not at any significant risk from the virus nor are they likely to transmit the virus?

Perhaps a proportionate response would be to wear face masks when indoors.

There's no evidence that kids don't transmit the virus. I know you are quite well informed but I'm basing that on this week's issue of New Scientist.

Research suggests that kids are significantly less likely to develop severe reactions but no evidence that the viral load in their throats is any lower.

If I can find it I'll post the link.
 
FFS, better do some work and educate the lad at the same time. Currently not doing any work whilst letting him do anything he wants and staring at my phone.

I am a failure of productivity unit.

In a bit.
 
...so you now see....all sensible thoughts are voiced.... consensus is agreed and we moved forward with all but a few activists on board .... then review. The government are mapping a framework not dictatorship to all
 
There was a report out of China that suggested that they had not discovered any cases of children passing on the virus, but it seems there may be some conflicting evidence / opinion.

We’ll have more info by the time we make our decision here in the UK and the benefit of seeing how other countries have faired.

Sweden have maintained schools open for younger kids throughout for example.

Masks and good hygiene still feels like an appropriate approach for schools to me. It’s impractical to go beyond that and utterly ridiculous to remain closed indefinitely.
 
Why would we need to social distance kids in classrooms?

I thought that the emerging scientific advice is that kids are not at any significant risk from the virus nor are they likely to transmit the virus?

Perhaps a proportionate response would be to wear face masks when indoors.

That's not accurate. School kids were initially part of the governments master plan to infect everyone by keeping them in school as long as possible Many would take it home and infect the household...lunacy!
 
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There was a report out of China that suggested that they had not discovered any cases of children passing on the virus, but it seems there may be some conflicting evidence / opinion.

We’ll have more info by the time we make our decision here in the UK and the benefit of seeing how other countries have faired.

Sweden have maintained schools open for younger kids throughout for example.

Masks and good hygiene still feels like an appropriate approach for schools to me. It’s impractical to go beyond that and utterly ridiculous to remain closed indefinitely.

Yes, there are conflicting reports. The one I read was Italian I think. I don't think schools remaining closed forever is a good idea, however if businesses are operating under reduced capacity and public gathering banned, I don't think it's unreasonable to try to give schools the same conditions otherwise there is a genuine danger that schools undermine the work done elsewhere.

The lack of certainty is the problem. If we were sure how the virus worked then it would be easier, but as we aren't it isn't.

The worst outcome would be hamstringing the economy with social distancing and then seeing another spike because it wasn't total.

In some ways I think we've been between two positions - the Swedish 'carry on as normal' and the Korean 'total lockdown' and I think that whilst we can argue that gives us the best of both worlds, you can also argue it gives us the worst of both worlds.

I dunno, I'm not going to even consider what I would do if I were the boss because it's an invidious position. There's lots of people who are 'certain' about stuff but at the same time a sea of contradiction and incomplete data in the evidence.

Anyway, I'll try and find that report later to add to that sea and keep safe and that...

DO YOUR WORK TD53 FFS!
 
No problem with the young kids at school

'Daniel Koch, head of the Swiss infectious diseases unit, said scientists "now know young children don't transmit the virus". '

Not just him obviously but it has been stated by many scientists...
 
That's not accurate. School kids were initially part of the governments master plan to infect everyone by keeping them in school as long as possible Many would take it home and infect the household...lunacy!

Let’s see what happens... I have a sneaking feeling that the countries who will fair worse after reopening are the ones who have been most ‘successful’ like Germany for example, during lockdown.

Sweden will likely continue to fair better than most, having maintained schools open and people working.
 
I've looked it up to avoid working it's behind a paywall- evidence does suggest both arguments - a report in the Lancet suggests children are just as infectious whilst other studies suggest otherwise saying younger children are less infectious with infectiousness increasing as children get older on a sliding scale. The balance suggests children are LESS infectious but not neutral (Italian and South Korean studies suggest around 1 in 10 clusters triggered by under 18s) and thus I agree we should be looking to reopen schools but disagree that we shouldn't apply social distancing measures because, as I outlined above, to undermine a recovery from lockdown based on simply selecting the evidence we WANT to be true (because it suits our needs) would be folly.

I don't know anymore than anyone else, but what is clear is that the numbers involved in the studies are tiny (whichever way you look at it) and science is based on testing assumptions. We can't base firm opinions on a few studies of a few people.
 
Makes perfect sense

For the week or so that it's just yr1 and also assuming the teachers then stop delivering online content, making phone calls etc(yes, I know not ALL are, but many are) to the other year groups in order to teach year 1. It also assumes that there are no teachers who would need to remain shielded (which is a distinct possibility)

That not being obstructive, it's just pointing out some of the valid issues so they are understood. I'm a primary school governor (how very middle class of me!) and the headteacher is extremely keen to open but at the same time completely overwhelmed with the question of how.

I think limiting class sizes IS the answer but how schools do that when staffing and rooming and building size is (and has been forever) based around 30ish kids in a class is a complete mystery.

The question of profitability for public facing businesses (i.e - how do we make a living with half or a third of our usual customers allowed in?) is question of capacity for schools if that makes sense.
Year 1 teacher delivering online content 😊 what’s that an online colouring book and a iPad link to peppa pig?
 
Could you also clarify when a year 1 teacher would need to make a phone call? Talk about over exaggerating the teacher workload. And phone calls? Can you tell Tristan to keep within the lines when colouring in, if he doesn’t heed this advice he’s missing the first morning break when we’re back at school.
 
Even Tory MP’s haven’t a clue what’s going on, one made a right fool of himself this morning on GMB.

Also Raab is saying go back to work Wednesday and not today? Why didn’t Boris mention that? Why is Boris ignoring the media?

There are also misleading quotes from MP’s this morning about meeting parents in the park etc whether you can meet only one or both.

It’s a complete shambles and why have they only clicked on now about quarantine airport arrivals?

Second peak incoming.
 
Year 1 teacher delivering online content 😊 what’s that an online colouring book and a iPad link to peppa pig?

The yr1 teacher would be teaching yr1
Could you also clarify when a year 1 teacher would need to make a phone call? Talk about over exaggerating the teacher workload. And phone calls? Can you tell Tristan to keep within the lines when colouring in, if he doesn’t heed this advice he’s missing the first morning break when we’re back at school.

What are you on about?

The proposal is yr1 returns to school. The question is how do you maintain learning for the other year groups if the other teachers (like say, year 5) are involved in teaching year one.

SOME (not all) year 5 teachers are delivering online lessons and marking work as well as doing stuff like ringing families every week to ensure kids are ok. If they are delivering lessons to a subsection of yr1 as a poster suggested, they won't also be able to deliver the online content to year 5. That content is far from Peppa Pig (stuff like long division and mad grammar I don't understand)

As for phone calls, my partner (who is a TA) is currently ringing 32 families and has a list of things she has to ask them, ranging from following up the completion of work, to safeguarding and health related questions. I didn't make that up. It's what she is doing today at work. I know that, because she isn't looking forward to it because some of the families will probably tell her to fuck off and some of them don't speak much English.

I thought the poster made a sensible suggestion and I responded sensibly with some information

I'm not sure what Peppa pig has to do with that.
 
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Interesting Sturgeon says allowing people to see their parents two metres apart will 'risk lives'

I thought the two metre rule saved lives 🙄
 
The yr1 teacher would be teaching yr1


What are you on about?

The proposal is yr1 returns to school. The question is how do you maintain learning for the other year groups if the other teachers (like say, year 5) are involved in teaching year one.

SOME (not all) year 5 teachers are delivering online lessons and marking work as well as doing stuff like ringing families every week to ensure kids are ok. If they are delivering lessons to a subsection of yr1 as a poster suggested, they won't also be able to deliver the online content to year 5. That content is far from Peppa Pig (stuff like long division and mad grammar I don't understand)

As for phone calls, my partner (who is a TA) is currently ringing 32 families and has a list of things she has to ask them, ranging from following up the completion of work, to safeguarding and health related questions. I didn't make that up. It's what she is doing today at work. I know that, because she isn't looking forward to it because some of the families will probably tell her to fuck off and some of them don't speak much English.

I thought the poster made a sensible suggestion and I responded sensibly with some information

I'm not sure what Peppa pig has to do with that.
My wife is an assistant head teacher and has been battling similar issues all the way through the lockdown, and working an 8 hour day.

The ignorance of some posters on here is shocking, and their knowledge of any topic is inversely proportional to the 'informed' comments they provide😁
 
Let’s see what happens... I have a sneaking feeling that the countries who will fair worse after reopening are the ones who have been most ‘successful’ like Germany for example, during lockdown.

Sweden will likely continue to fair better than most, having maintained schools open and people working.
I hope you're right, but it does appear to defy logic.

Having said that the scientifically advised lockdown rules in each country differ so much, so who knows which ones are most effective.
 
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I hope you're right, but it does appear to defy logic.

Having said that the scientifically advised lockdown rules in each country so who knows which ones are most effective.
I’m not sure it does defy logic... They have the fewest number of people immune, therefore their population is going to be less resilient.

As much as I hate to say it, we aren't getting out of this situation without most of the population having been exposed to it .

Hiding away until a miracle vaccine might come along is a waste of time imho.

I don’t think herd immunity will be an effective deterrent for individuals who are at risk either. I think each individual will need to have had exposure to build up their eventual immune response.
 
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I’m not sure it does defy logic... They have the fewest number of people immune, therefore their population is going to be less resilient.

As much as I hate to say it, we all by getting out of this situation without most of the population having been exposed to it.

Hiding away until a miracle vaccine might come along is a waste of time imho.

I don’t think herd immunity will be an effective deterrent for individuals who are at risk either. I think each individual will need to have had exposure to build up their eventual immune response.
My view exactly save I believe the individuals in high risk groups should stay in a proper lockdown to minimise risk until a vaccine is available though I can hear an argument to say that if they want to take the risk that's a matter for them
 
AIDs was first identified in 1984.....36 YEARS later there is no vaccine

Rotavirus has a vaccine which children are given but it took 15 YEARS to come up with that vaccine

Covid 19 could be around for a long, long while or simply forever and as Bifster says the Countries that have “done well” so far may not be able to carry on “doing well” when they ease Lockdown...such as in Germany. This herd immunity that a lot of people ridiculed may be in the final analysis what every Country has to get to one way or another ....and that immunity may only last a couple of years in each person so the herd immunity is constantly moving ...

fact is no one knows BUT there are so many “experts“ on here, in the media etc etc with the left shouting loudest as usual because as usual they or their representatives are not on Office joined by some egotistical fools like Piers Morgan.... I just wish they were all in charge cos they would be bossing it big style
 
If I see one more moaning post on social media about these new changes, I swear I'll go and live in Wuhan. The fact is most aren't happy because they can't go and get their hair done or sit inside McDonalds. The changes are pretty bloody obvious to anyone with half a brain!

  • People will be allowed to take unlimited amounts of outdoor exercise, sit or sunbathe in parks and play sports with household members from Wednesday
  • Two people from different households will be able to meet in a park if they stay two metres apart
  • People who cannot work from home should return to the workplace - but avoid public transport
  • People should try to stay at home as much as possible
  • Public transport should be avoided if possible
  • Stricter guidelines remain in the rest of the UK
Not all are as intelligent as me unfortunately. I have had my hair cut Mrs did it. These people should get a wife or if they have one should use her.😍
 
My view exactly save I believe the individuals in high risk groups should stay in a proper lockdown to minimise risk until a vaccine is available though I can hear an argument to say that if they want to take the risk that's a matter for them
That's sensible but easier said than done. For elderly couples it's bad enough, but my daughter is currently under strict lockdown with her 3 year old son. They are under considerable stress and the child is not being exposed to the social interactions a normal childhood would provide.

Not quite Fritzl's cellar but not a good place to be!

The psychological harm caused by isolation needs to be considered, especially to the children living with a vulnerable person.
 
My view exactly save I believe the individuals in high risk groups should stay in a proper lockdown to minimise risk until a vaccine is available though I can hear an argument to say that if they want to take the risk that's a matter for them

It is a matter for them and they will be heavily reliant on a vaccine if that is their choice. I think from a personal point of view you reach a critical point where you adopt the attitude that you'd rather take your chances than live your life in some kind of self-imposed prison.

From all the stuff I've read / watched, I think the most likely thing is that by developing an immune response, Covid 19 will just become like the common cold for most of us as time moves on. So first time exposure (in the absence of a vaccine) is likely to present a risk for some time.
 
AIDs was first identified in 1984.....36 YEARS later there is no vaccine

Rotavirus has a vaccine which children are given but it took 15 YEARS to come up with that vaccine

Covid 19 could be around for a long, long while or simply forever and as Bifster says the Countries that have “done well” so far may not be able to carry on “doing well” when they ease Lockdown...such as in Germany. This herd immunity that a lot of people ridiculed may be in the final analysis what every Country has to get to one way or another ....and that immunity may only last a couple of years in each person so the herd immunity is constantly moving ...

fact is no one knows BUT there are so many “experts“ on here, in the media etc etc with the left shouting loudest as usual because as usual they or their representatives are not on Office joined by some egotistical fools like Piers Morgan.... I just wish they were all in charge cos they would be bossing it big style
Brilliant post
 
Go on then, tell us how you were privy to that information?

It's old news now but schools were all ways going the be one of the major conduit of herd immunity ..no question!
I've got two children under ten. Parents debated in the school playground (SE London) during the last two weeks of February and the first week of March. some parents took there children out mid Feb when they realised how things could pan out. I'm also honoured to live within 50m of two high profile quacks.
 
It's old news now but schools were all ways going the be one of the major conduit of herd immunity ..no question!
I've got two children under ten. Parents debated in the school playground (SE London) during the last two weeks of February and the first week of March. some parents took there children out mid Feb when they realised how things could pan out. I'm also honoured to live within 50m of two high profile quacks.
I've looked everywhere for this 'old news' but as yet no sign of it. Maybe you dreamt it?
 
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