Vaccine Passports

Qblock said:
The sooner people realise that eating healthier, exercising, sleeping well, not drinking too much and dropping some weight is their best line of defence against a virus the better. A vaccine is one part of the solution, not a solve all silver bullet.
I cannot believe people in this country are even considering legislation which means you must demonstrate your ‘health status’. People need to think very carefully about what kind of country they want to live in
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Unfortunately in part, we are a nation of "fuck you, i'll do what i want " and that's why we will never be rid of Covid or its restriction.
 
Qblock said:
The sooner people realise that eating healthier, exercising, sleeping well, not drinking too much and dropping some weight is their best line of defence against a virus the better. A vaccine is one part of the solution, not a solve all silver bullet.
I cannot believe people in this country are even considering legislation which means you must demonstrate your ‘health status’. People need to think very carefully about what kind of country they want to live in
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437 children have died in the uk from covid between January and June. Id prefer to live in a world where we do everything we can as a society to stop that happening.
 
FlytoKavala said:
Unfortunately in part, we are a nation of "fuck you, i'll do what i want " and that's why we will never be rid of Covid or its restriction.
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No, we are a nation of people who don’t take enough responsibility for our own health, then expect those who object to ever increasing levels of tracking to stay locked up.
For the record, I’m not anti vaccine. I’ve had jabs for other diseases, and I believe the Covid jab is a good option for those who think they need it.
But a vaccine passport is essentially making them mandatory, which were told they wouldn’t be. And they should never be.
 
If that 437 is true then that’s higher than I thought and very sad.
But get this in your head. 0 jabs, 1 jab, 2 jabs. You can catch Covid and pass on Covid.
 
Qblock said:
The sooner people realise that eating healthier, exercising, sleeping well, not drinking too much and dropping some weight is their best line of defence against a virus the better. A vaccine is one part of the solution, not a solve all silver bullet.
I cannot believe people in this country are even considering legislation which means you must demonstrate your ‘health status’. People need to think very carefully about what kind of country they want to live in
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Government propaganda has been incredibly effective, people are genuinely scared and are looking for scapegoats. The role the media have played in all of this is shocking. There were huge protests in most major western cities this weekend but not a single mention on the BBC. In fact, one of their main stories right now is lambasting Sajid Javid for suggesting that people can come out from under the bed now.
 
Adams Kebab said:
😂 I am intrigued as to how his day went dropping the shoulder like Stanley Matthews as a group of rowdy males approached or showing CJ Hamilton speed as he left the toilets.

@FlytoKavala can you give us an insight into your day at the races avoiding idiots. Did you do the County Stand or Paddock, or did you go corporate? If so, the waiting on staff? Did you ask them some quick fire questions to establish their intelligence?

What was it like trackside? If someone shouted “Giddup” did you move away from them? How did you place your bets? Sanitise your slips?

As football is more important to many than the spread of Covid, did you feel the same about the racing fans yesterday as you mention you avoided idiots like me?

I’m thinking that At the Races could maybe feature this if it’s good.

Look forward to hearing about it.
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Had a fantastic day thank you. Wore our masks all the time and placed ourselves in the Clocktower for the day and for the McFLY concert after the racing.
All stand tickets sold prior to race day and tickets for Clocktower (not as busy) only available on the day. Going to Carlisle evening meeting on 2nd August if that's ok with you. Which Wetherspoons did you spend your day in or did you sit outside BR all day hoping that the cancellation of the Rangers match was a horrible dream.
 
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FlytoKavala said:
Had a fantastic day thank you. Wore our masks all the time and placed ourselves in the Clocktower for the day and for the McFLY concert after the racing.
All stand tickets sold prior to race day and tickets for Clocktower only available on the day. Going to Carlisle evening meeting on 2nd August if that's ok with you. Which Wetherspoons did you spend your day in.
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You know what, I’m glad you had a great day, with no draconian requirements to purchase your tickets prior to race day. Enjoy Carlisle. Great to hear you’re out and about, just like football fans want to be. This is a football website by the way.

What did the children think of the McFly concert? Great to see kids being kids again after the past 18 months.

Didn’t make Wetherspoons yesterday, thought it would be selfish to go outside and have a laugh as I knew there was horse racing on and was concerned at the spread of Covid so thought I would just let those people enjoy themselves.

Is Rangers the issue btw? Or will you think the same when we play Cardiff?
 
I've just applied for NHS letter confirmation that I've had both jabs. I don't have a smartphone and I don't fancy taking my iPad to every event that needs vaccine status proved. At the end of the day whether you agree or disagree with vaccine passports it seems likely that they will be required for a lot of things.
 
Bamber said:
Government propaganda has been incredibly effective, people are genuinely scared and are looking for scapegoats. The role the media have played in all of this is shocking. There were huge protests in most major western cities this weekend but not a single mention on the BBC. In fact, one of their main stories right now is lambasting Sajid Javid for suggesting that people can come out from under the bed now.
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Laura Dodsworth's book has been a #1 bestseller for weeks now and sets this out perfectly - 'A State of Fear'
 
Adams Kebab said:
😂 I am intrigued as to how his day went dropping the shoulder like Stanley Matthews as a group of rowdy males approached or showing CJ Hamilton speed as he left the toilets.

@FlytoKavala can you give us an insight into your day at the races avoiding idiots. Did you do the County Stand or Paddock, or did you go corporate? If so, the waiting on staff? Did you ask them some quick fire questions to establish their intelligence?

What was it like trackside? If someone shouted “Giddup” did you move away from them? How did you place your bets? Sanitise your slips?

As football is more important to many than the spread of Covid, did you feel the same about the racing fans yesterday as you mention you avoided idiots like me?

I’m thinking that At the Races could maybe feature this if it’s good.

Look forward to hearing about it.
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Has anyone been to the races on a Saturday I stopped going it's just full of drunk coke filled nobheads. 😜
 
straightatthewall said:
It is pretty absurd (or surreal) to think people are thinking this is perfectly fine. As though there was an onus on proving your health credentials at any point before this whole thing started.
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Could've avoided a few trips to the clinic ....
 
Both my daughters have children of their own so that didn't apply. The youngest one is a nurse say you may bump into her at sometime after the Cardiff game.
poolseasider said:
Has anyone been to the races on a Saturday I stopped going it's just full of drunk coke filled nobheads. 😜
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Cartmel 9 times a year is not going to the races. It's really a funfair with a track of just over a mile encircling it 😀
Over the years i have visited 2/3 of the courses in the UK and only once have i seen trouble and that surprise surprise was Haydock Park. Best laugh i had was listening to McCririck at Newbury.
 
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rockontommy said:
Laura Dodsworth's book has been a #1 bestseller for weeks now and sets this out perfectly - 'A State of Fear'
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Was she targeting the ones who are double jabbed and are still in fear of catching covid.
Or was she targeting the anti vaxers who think that the government are going to be able to trace everything from their IQ to their bank account details?
 
Wizzerboy said:
Was she targeting the ones who are double jabbed and are still in fear of catching covid.
Or was she targeting the anti vaxers who think that the government are going to be able to trace everything from their IQ to their bank account details?
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She targets the behavioural scientists and the ethics behind politicians using psychological nudging techniques on an already frightened population
 
Based on my, admittedly, limited understanding the vaccine doesn't prevent you getting covid, or spreading it, but reduces the severity of the symptoms if you do catch it.

If that's the case that i'm not sure why someones vaccination status is a concern to enter a club/stadium etc.
 
Poppins said:
437 children have died in the uk from covid between January and June. Id prefer to live in a world where we do everything we can as a society to stop that happening.
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Poppins said:
If I got it wrong I’ll hold my hand up but the point remains the same
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What if more children had died by suicide than from the virus due to the lockdowns and other restrictions? Perhaps you'd like to explain your stance to the parents of those children?

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Bamber said:
What if more children had died by suicide than from the virus due to the lockdowns and other restrictions? Perhaps you'd like to explain your stance to the parents of those children?

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My point was that anyone can catch it regardless of lifestyle. That’s all
 
Poppins said:
If I got it wrong I’ll hold my hand up but the point remains the same
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The point doesn’t remain the same. If we are putting hundreds of children at risk of dying, then that calls for a ‘tougher’ type of approach.
If we’re not, then we look at a different option.
Either way, vaccine passports and health status is not the answer. It will be a sad sad day for this country and the way we live if this gets through
 
Perhaps the government should re-employ Cummings, I’m sure he could target the mugs who he managed to get to vote on Brexit, by clever manipulative means. Get vaccinated now as the slogan. 🙄
 
On the plus side it'll piss the people off who acclaim they don't need the jab and just rely on others to get it. Or 'Wankers' as we call them.

Obviously it's completely unworkable in practice, it wouldn't surprise me if these stories are just thrown out there to try to persuade some of the 'Wankers' to get their jabs, like responsible adults, instead of behaving like entitled kids.
 
Qblock said:
No, we are a nation of people who don’t take enough responsibility for our own health, then expect those who object to ever increasing levels of tracking to stay locked up.
For the record, I’m not anti vaccine. I’ve had jabs for other diseases, and I believe the Covid jab is a good option for those who think they need it.
But a vaccine passport is essentially making them mandatory, which were told they wouldn’t be. And they should never be.
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You've had vaccines for other diseases but not for the one that's shut the country down for eighteen months? That's makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, what's the rationale?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
You've had vaccines for other diseases but not for the one that's shut the country down for eighteen months? That's makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, what's the rationale?
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1. It’s a brand new vaccine, not one that’s tried and tested over many years. I’d rather see how it plays out over 2/3 years then hopefully make an informed decision. No one can even pretend to know what the potential side affects will be, or how effective it will be long term.
2. The vaccines I’ve had are for diseases that would be pretty serious if I caught them. I appreciate that Covid is serious for some, but consider my age and lifestyle puts me at minimal risk. I actually had Covid two weeks ago, and apart from an unpleasant 2/3 days I was fine, my immune system did it’s job.
3. I hate the language, propaganda, coercion around the vaccine, as though merely questioning it makes you some sort of selfish low life, or ‘wanker’ as you might call me. The more the government try this tactic, the less likely I (and probably 1000’s of others) am to have it.

We’re getting slightly off the point here as the question was about vaccine passports rather than vaccines themselves. If I do I have the jab over the next couple of years, I still don’t want to disclose my ‘status’ in order to attend a football match. It’s a very dangerous path we’d be heading down.
And I don’t believe it would be temporary, there’s no way the shower of shit running the show atm would repeal any powers.
 
Qblock said:
1. It’s a brand new vaccine, not one that’s tried and tested over many years. I’d rather see how it plays out over 2/3 years then hopefully make an informed decision. No one can even pretend to know what the potential side affects will be, or how effective it will be long term.
2. The vaccines I’ve had are for diseases that would be pretty serious if I caught them. I appreciate that Covid is serious for some, but consider my age and lifestyle puts me at minimal risk. I actually had Covid two weeks ago, and apart from an unpleasant 2/3 days I was fine, my immune system did it’s job.
3. I hate the language, propaganda, coercion around the vaccine, as though merely questioning it makes you some sort of selfish low life, or ‘wanker’ as you might call me. The more the government try this tactic, the less likely I (and probably 1000’s of others) am to have it.

We’re getting slightly off the point here as the question was about vaccine passports rather than vaccines themselves. If I do I have the jab over the next couple of years, I still don’t want to disclose my ‘status’ in order to attend a football match. It’s a very dangerous path we’d be heading down.
And I don’t believe it would be temporary, there’s no way the shower of shit running the show atm would repeal any powers.
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So you'd prefer that others took the vaccine and use them as a sort of personal guinea pig?
 
Qblock said:
1. It’s a brand new vaccine, not one that’s tried and tested over many years. I’d rather see how it plays out over 2/3 years then hopefully make an informed decision. No one can even pretend to know what the potential side affects will be, or how effective it will be long term.
2. The vaccines I’ve had are for diseases that would be pretty serious if I caught them. I appreciate that Covid is serious for some, but consider my age and lifestyle puts me at minimal risk. I actually had Covid two weeks ago, and apart from an unpleasant 2/3 days I was fine, my immune system did it’s job.
3. I hate the language, propaganda, coercion around the vaccine, as though merely questioning it makes you some sort of selfish low life, or ‘wanker’ as you might call me. The more the government try this tactic, the less likely I (and probably 1000’s of others) am to have it.

We’re getting slightly off the point here as the question was about vaccine passports rather than vaccines themselves. If I do I have the jab over the next couple of years, I still don’t want to disclose my ‘status’ in order to attend a football match. It’s a very dangerous path we’d be heading down.
And I don’t believe it would be temporary, there’s no way the shower of shit running the show atm would repeal any powers.
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They're simultaneously saying that people who take the jabs can still spread the virus, whilst claiming those who don't take it are putting those who do at risk... ‘wankers’.

They're not even attempting to be coherent.

It's pure divide & conquer. Turning neighbour against neighbour.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
So you'd prefer that others took the vaccine and use them as a sort of personal guinea pig?
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Well it’s personal choice isn’t it? There are those who feel vulnerable who obviously rushed to have it, so it would be ridiculous not to use the data from those people.
Clearly you believe people should have it and are entitled to that view. But what’s your view on the passport aspect of it? Should those who choose not to really be excluded from mainstream society? And how far are you happy for the government to go in terms of dictating what freedoms we give up in the name of public health/security/whatever else they think up.
You completely ignored points 2 and 3 btw
 
Adams Kebab said:
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They're simultaneously saying that people who take the jabs can still spread the virus, whilst claiming those who don't take it are putting those who do at risk... ‘wankers’.

They're not even attempting to be coherent.

It's pure divide & conquer. Turning neighbour against neighbour.
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100%. Give me a coherent case that shows it will protect others whilst not putting myself at risk of unknown side affects and I’ll happily consider it
 
Qblock said:
Well it’s personal choice isn’t it? There are those who feel vulnerable who obviously rushed to have it, so it would be ridiculous not to use the data from those people.
Clearly you believe people should have it and are entitled to that view. But what’s your view on the passport aspect of it? Should those who choose not to really be excluded from mainstream society? And how far are you happy for the government to go in terms of dictating what freedoms we give up in the name of public health/security/whatever else they think up.
You completely ignored points 2 and 3 btw
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Also Lytham, as a wider point (I’m presuming you work in healthcare?), what do you think of the fact that neither the government or WHO has at any point talked about the importance of a healthy lifestyle/strong immune system, and basically just said “isolate and wait for a jab (which we don’t know how effective it will be) to become available?
 
Qblock said:
Well it’s personal choice isn’t it? There are those who feel vulnerable who obviously rushed to have it, so it would be ridiculous not to use the data from those people.
Clearly you believe people should have it and are entitled to that view. But what’s your view on the passport aspect of it? Should those who choose not to really be excluded from mainstream society? And how far are you happy for the government to go in terms of dictating what freedoms we give up in the name of public health/security/whatever else they think up.
You completely ignored points 2 and 3 btw
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My views are it's unworkable in practice.

As for points 2, you're ignoring the bigger picture, the reason you can go to a football match is because enough people have decided to have the vaccine, the same reason the economy is opening back up. It seems a little selfish to me, but I defend your right to be selfish.

As for point 3, it's just very tiring to have to discuss this with people acting a little childishly, the now hackneyed but still valid comparison is seatbelts, presumably you wear one? Do you honestly believe that you haven't given up freedoms before or do everyday? The irony being of course that you're posting these responses on the internet, maybe you're using a smartphone?
 
Qblock said:
Also Lytham, as a wider point (I’m presuming you work in healthcare?), what do you think of the fact that neither the government or WHO has at any point talked about the importance of a healthy lifestyle/strong immune system, and basically just said “isolate and wait for a jab (which we don’t know how effective it will be) to become available?
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Presumably because it was an emergency, asking people to suddenly adopt a healthy lifestyle would hardly have built up immunity within a decade, I presume it was also realism, how many people would have given up the Mcdonalds?

Outside of the pandemic, we literally never shut the fuck up about a healthy lifestyle, but we also deal with realities, not ideals. A lack of pragmatism would collapse the service.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
My views are it's unworkable in practice.

As for points 2, you're ignoring the bigger picture, the reason you can go to a football match is because enough people have decided to have the vaccine, the same reason the economy is opening back up. It seems a little selfish to me, but I defend your right to be selfish.

As for point 3, it's just very tiring to have to discuss this with people acting a little childishly, the now hackneyed but still valid comparison is seatbelts, presumably you wear one? Do you honestly believe that you haven't given up freedoms before or do everyday? The irony being of course that you're posting these responses on the internet, maybe you're using a smartphone?
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If you knew me you’d know the last thing I am is selfish. Maybe we’ll have to agree to disagree on the definition of selfish vs taking as much personal responsibility for your own health as possible.
Yes I do wear a seatbelt, there’s no sensible argument against one.
And yes I’m using a smartphone, although aren’t on any social media for a variety of reasons, one of which is how much you open yourself up to intrusion.
And yes I’m aware I’ve given up freedoms, most notably after 9/11, which we never got back. But that’s no reason to give up another when it’s not justified
 
Qblock said:
If you knew me you’d know the last thing I am is selfish. Maybe we’ll have to agree to disagree on the definition of selfish vs taking as much personal responsibility for your own health as possible.
Yes I do wear a seatbelt, there’s no sensible argument against one.
And yes I’m using a smartphone, although aren’t on any social media for a variety of reasons, one of which is how much you open yourself up to intrusion.
And yes I’m aware I’ve given up freedoms, most notably after 9/11, which we never got back. But that’s no reason to give up another when it’s not justified
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So you've given up personal freedom to go online, just not to help the country out of a pandemic?
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
Presumably because it was an emergency, asking people to suddenly adopt a healthy lifestyle would hardly have built up immunity within a decade, I presume it was also realism, how many people would have given up the Mcdonalds?

Outside of the pandemic, we literally never shut the fuck up about a healthy lifestyle, but we also deal with realities, not ideals. A lack of pragmatism would collapse the
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rockontommy said:
I think there are some people (admittedly a shrinking number) who want everyone to carry papers to 'prove' the content of the carrier's blood. These same people get humpty when the obvious parallels are shown.

Anyway, it ain't gonna happen and even if by some authoritarian nightmare it does, it'll either be the very unofficial hack and trace app that some 2020 nutbar conspiracy loon had the foresight to create, or full ST refunds (x4) for us. Not sure yet.
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"some 2020 nutbar conspiracy loon had the foresight to create"


Leave me out of it for feck sake Tommy.
 
Lytham_fy8 said:
So you've given up personal freedom to go online, just not to help the country out of a pandemic?
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I don’t believe me agreeing to vaccine passports will help the country out of a pandemic. See AK’s post and my response above
 
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