Well the US government seems to be accepting of the reported figures. But I suppose, with so many people buried under buildings, it’s difficult to know precisely.So in other words your comments were incorrect then.
Cheers.
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Flooding the tunnels might force the issue though as the only ones put at risk would be Hamas
I'm not sure it means they are directly speaking with Hamas.
Gone too far? Did Hamas go to far? You can jaw jaw all you want but Israel will be ruthless in finishing the job as they see fit. They will stop when they want to, not when anyone else tells them too. Yet you seem to want to blame them when it is Hamas who started these atrocities. So damn right there's a blame game. Of course Israel are being ruthless and yes that's why the support for armed conflict is growing even further amongst the Palestinian people. Just as proved it was in the opinion polls. Hamas should lay down their arms and surrender and then the work in earnest can start to rebuild the life of the Palestinian people. At least Israel is a democracy, Gaza is not. For some reason you seem to attach far too much blame on Israel when it's a stone cold fact without the events of 7/10 many more thousands of Gazan people would be alive. Have you ever acknowledged that when it seems all you want to do is blame Israel for all the deaths of the people in Gaza.
I think the problem is that hostages are being kept in tunnels
You claimed that Israel couldn’t have a dialogue with Hamas when it’s clear they have had a dialogue with them since 7/10 (not to mention the dialogue Netanyahu had with them prior to 7/10 in order to undermine Fatah and frustrate progress on the two state solution). That’s what led to the temporary truce and hostage exchange. Clearly therefore it’s possible for the sides to negotiate even in the current climate. So you were wrong on that point.
I agree with you. Although some people think Orban will back down. Not necessarily over accession to the EU but certainly over the aid.
nope you are deliberately being clever with your words. I haven't said you blame Israel for everything at all. I've said you've said you've blamed Israel for all the deaths in Gaza. In other words that absolves Hamas for all the deaths even though Hamas are using innocent Gazans to hide behind. Hamas are using bases in hospitals and in and around other places to launch their attacks on Israel. They are hiding in tunnels below where innocent Gazans are trying to live. Yet you say that this isn't Hamas fault why innocent people are being killed. Ialso put forward to the figures being released by Hamas about the number of deaths was disproportionate between men, women and children. Why do you think that is? Is it because for reasons I've just said. Hamas are very much responsible for the deaths of innocent people because of their cowardly actions!
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Of course too many civilians have been killed in this war you don’t need to be a foreign secretary to see that.And the Foreign Secretary thinks too many civilians have been killed and calls for Ceasefire.
UK ramps up pressure on Israel with Cameron’s call for ‘sustainable ceasefire’
New foreign secretary warns ‘too many civilians have been killed’
All very different to the rhetoric about “hate marches” calling for a ceasefire we had a few weeks back.
That's quite a simplistic and brutal way of looking at the situation.
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Hundreds of Israeli women and their daughters were murdered on 07/10 many of them just babies the women were raped before they were killed or have people forgotten already?Cardinal condemns ‘cold–blooded’ killing of two women in Gaza church | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian
Vincent Nichols says shooting of mother and daughter did nothing to further Israel’s right to defend itself
Another critic of the current Israeli strategy. Echoing the comments of Tory MPs. It’s not self defence.
People haven’t forgotten.
Of course you've forgotten or put the events of 7/10 to the back of your mind and it seems it's you now trying to play the blame game. Have you actually explained the first atrocity yet here you are asking Jaffa to explain the follow up atrocity! It's so easy to reverse your whole point. As you type think of the Israelis going about their daily lives when Hamas burst into their homes raping, shooting, killing and kidnapping them. Israeli children and babies. You've never been able to explain the first atrocity because the simple reason is you can't. You want to blame Israel for ALL the deaths in Gaza and I find that attitude has a total lack of balance to what is happening there. You seem to pretty much want to forget or disregard the basics of why Israel has felt the need to do what it has done.
your last line is just utter tosh. get in the real world not the land of make believe. you seem to think our country has some power to be able to stop events happening in israel? deluded! remember afghanistan, remember pretty much every other conflict over the last forty years? we as a country are pretty much a nobody when it comes to influence around the world these days. words count for nothing. sorry my caps lock isn't working.
Never been able to explain that?
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There is a way to stop the bombing I’ve said it before Hamas should come out of the buildings stop hiding behind the civilian shield and meet the IDF head on.US defence secretary reasserts support but urges Israel to change tactics in Gaza | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian
Lloyd Austin discusses focus on precise targeting of Hamas leaders; however, UN delays vote calling for cessation of hostilities
For those who claim there’s no other way to fight Hamas but the indiscriminate bombing of civilians ……. The US Defence Secretary doesn’t agree with you.
you really love to twist words don't you? I'm sure that those on here who undertand the need for Israel to take action are well aware and supportive of fact that behind the scenes people are working hard to find a solution to get the hostages out and hopefully bring about an end to tthis whole war which was started by Hamas. And of course it's sad that the IDF have killed 3 of the hostages but it's stating the obvious that mistakes have been made.US defence secretary reasserts support but urges Israel to change tactics in Gaza | Israel-Gaza war | The Guardian
Lloyd Austin discusses focus on precise targeting of Hamas leaders; however, UN delays vote calling for cessation of hostilities
For those who claim there’s no other way to fight Hamas but the indiscriminate bombing of civilians ……. The US Defence Secretary doesn’t agree with you.
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seems like you're becoming more and more a Tory with every post you make.Senior Tories pile pressure on Rishi Sunak to back immediate Gaza ceasefire
In a letter to Foreign Secretary Lord Cameron, 10 Tory MPs say the case for an immediate ceasefire is "unanswerable" as they argue Israel's actions are neither "proportionate nor targeted".
More calls from leading Tories for an immediate ceasefire.
Condemning “the brutalisation of the Palestinian civilian population”. Israeli tactics are “neither targeted nor proportionate”
And let's make it perfectly clear the attacks by Hamas on 7/10 were targetted but not proportionate. They deliberately targetted innocent civilians and of course it wasn't proportionate because an event like happened that day hadn't taken place before. Was that not "brutalisation"? All the time you seem to want to ignore this.I haven’t ignored it at all. I’ve repeatedly condemned the 7/10 attacks right from the start of this thread.seems like you're becoming more and more a Tory with every post you make.
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The US Defence Secretary spelt out another military option. There’s a link in an earlier post.
Yes
Nailed it !!!!
Two women killed by a sniper walking inside the grounds of a church;
nope, i haven't said that have i ? But neither have i said that ALL the Palestinian deaths are down to Israel have i? Unlike some. And of course you fail to address the point I made. But i'll quite gladly confirm that any sniper targetting innocent civilians should face the consequences of their actions. It is wrong and should be condemned. But i recall on 7/10 Israelis fleeing the music festival they had been attending and being shot down by Hamas snipers.
There are always innocent casualties in war and, tragic though their deaths are, without Hamas launching it's vile cowardly genocidal war on the Jewish people, those 2 ladies would have been safe at home rather than seeking sanctuary inside that church so it pretty much seems to me but for Hamas's genocidal Jihad , they and all the other Jews, Chritians, Muslims, Druze and others would still be alive
Victim blaming at its worst.
About 50% of the population are aged 18 or under, so if the deaths were completely random you'd expect 75% to be either women or children, I don't know how that compares to what Hamas are claiming, but if the men/women were significantly out of proportion that would be suspicious.
I'm not naive at all, unlike some. It's pretty much a certainty that there will be many cases where there are incidents of people being killed for little or no reason. But let me make this point clear again and i will keep repeating it until you and others grasp the fact. Mexboro states the deaths of all the Palestinians is solely down to Israel. Do you seriously believe that to be the case? Should Hamas have no responsibilty for those deaths? Of course they should, especially when their soldiers are hiding in tunnels below hospitals and deliberately putting civilians in hams way. Like i said,why do you think the number of men killed is so disproportionate in the overall figure? A Hamas misfired rocket landing in a Gazan hospital. Do you and others want to blame those deaths on Israel too?
As Lost points out, given the demographic makeup of Gaza men make up only about 25% of the population. Therefore if the killing was indiscriminate you could expect deaths of males to be at about 25%, which is why it is smaller than women or children. It is not necessarily evidence of terrorists using civilians a human shields, although it would be naive to assume that this does not happen at times.
Anyway, unlike you, I blame the actor who did the action of killing.;
right then, so by your logic for all the killings of German s in WW1 and WW2 were all our fault. We are responsible and wholly to blame for all those deaths in your eyes.. It had nothing to do whatsoever with Hitler et al why so many Germans were killed. Perish the thought that we might have failed to act and allowed Hitler to carry on massacring a whole race of people. Not my logic that is all over the place at all!
Good stuff. Even though what you say may well turn out to be correct, you are pretty much admitting and saying that Hamas set out on this course of events knowing full well that many Palestinians would be killed. And yet you seem to say Hamas aren't responsible in any way shape or form for those deaths. Not sure you thought that through!