Dark_Side_of_the_Lune
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Well played Plymouth. Did a job on us
Blackpool v Plymouth Argyle Official Matchday Thread 27.03.21
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clappers
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It doesn’t help that every game has 5mins a game extra guaranteed...soon as the clock strikes 90 we turn to jelly for far longer than is comfortable.
BFC_53
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I didn't think we'd get a point at half time such was our performance, so it was good to get something even though it's gutting to lose the lead late on, again. But Plymouth deserved a point, and I always say it's the sign of a good side that can get something when nowhere near their best. We've done that numerous times during this run.
I think these five draws at home recently has shown how much we miss Madine and Ekpiteta - that strength that can ensure you can see a game out, especially Madine.
We're still in a great position, and we aren't going to win all our matches from now until the end of the season. There was the tiniest of glimmers of the auto spots before today but I think that's been put to bed now, the focus should be on the playoffs and for many it always has. The biased, optimistic side of me thought it might just happen after Tuesday, but realism has now set in - we just don't have quite enough with our ridiculous injury list. We have an ever growing number of youth players on the bench which tells you everything. We've had some awful luck there's no doubt about it - you only have to look at Peterborough who have been able to play their three best players in almost every game this season. It makes a huge difference.
We looked lethargic today, I thought it was the right call to keep the side unchanged but it just didn't work in the first half. Good decision to replace Thorniley at half time who was struggling against Hardie, and it gave Gretarsson 45 mins which is a good thing. I think Gretarsson and Ballard could be a good pairing for the run in.
Dougall improved in the second half, and Kaikai did too - he was anonymous in the first but he affects the game and you need players like him at home even if he doesn't run the show for 90 mins.
Mitchell won the pen and did affect the game, but I'm still to be convinced by him i'm afraid, I know some will disagree with me here. His passing is abysmal and needs a lot of work. I know he won the pen from taking the defender on, but if you're playing inverted wingers, then the end product will usually be to stop, come back on your stronger foot and pick a pass/cross. We need a big improvement in this area from him. I think he can get there but this is where our injury list becomes a problem, because I think Ward would be playing on the right if Stewart or Virtue were available.
Overall a fair result, another game to add to the unbeaten run and nothing to be too downbeat about. We're doing well considering the players that are unavailable.
I think these five draws at home recently has shown how much we miss Madine and Ekpiteta - that strength that can ensure you can see a game out, especially Madine.
We're still in a great position, and we aren't going to win all our matches from now until the end of the season. There was the tiniest of glimmers of the auto spots before today but I think that's been put to bed now, the focus should be on the playoffs and for many it always has. The biased, optimistic side of me thought it might just happen after Tuesday, but realism has now set in - we just don't have quite enough with our ridiculous injury list. We have an ever growing number of youth players on the bench which tells you everything. We've had some awful luck there's no doubt about it - you only have to look at Peterborough who have been able to play their three best players in almost every game this season. It makes a huge difference.
We looked lethargic today, I thought it was the right call to keep the side unchanged but it just didn't work in the first half. Good decision to replace Thorniley at half time who was struggling against Hardie, and it gave Gretarsson 45 mins which is a good thing. I think Gretarsson and Ballard could be a good pairing for the run in.
Dougall improved in the second half, and Kaikai did too - he was anonymous in the first but he affects the game and you need players like him at home even if he doesn't run the show for 90 mins.
Mitchell won the pen and did affect the game, but I'm still to be convinced by him i'm afraid, I know some will disagree with me here. His passing is abysmal and needs a lot of work. I know he won the pen from taking the defender on, but if you're playing inverted wingers, then the end product will usually be to stop, come back on your stronger foot and pick a pass/cross. We need a big improvement in this area from him. I think he can get there but this is where our injury list becomes a problem, because I think Ward would be playing on the right if Stewart or Virtue were available.
Overall a fair result, another game to add to the unbeaten run and nothing to be too downbeat about. We're doing well considering the players that are unavailable.
tangysider
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Simms should ha e come on for Embleton last 5 minutes especially as Aimson was crocked.
Tangerinemoss
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Not having it. He misses, we lose.
I really wish people would get off our flair players backs, particularly on the day they score. If it's not Kaikai, it's Demi. The two players who won us 1 point today
BlackpoolsFinest
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Firstly, he has been a real difference maker in the last few games when we have been up against decent opposition to get ourselves in to the top sixth.
Who is he being dropped for? The team and squad is on its arse, the players being selected are the bare bones of what we currently have available for selection.
He wasn't great today but we're a League One team, you take the rough with the smooth.
This over analysing anything and everything players do is tiresome.
Exactly. Who is outperforming him in his role? Where's Lubala?
clappers
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Yep. Some think it’s no loss if he doesn’t return but I think he could be the difference between playoffs success or playoff failure.
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Shit, is that why, right well then. Let’s get Mansford to send an email around to all the league one clubs asking them to to go easy on him for the last few games eh.
Ridiculous, the previous argument was, he was under used now he’s be put into a more favourable position he does well for a few games and then ends up costing us.
Inwant him to do well as I do with all of them, but when he has a performance like today I think it needs mentioning. I think Sully even knew today he’d fucked both the miss and the tracking back of you look at his reaction.
TD I knew this would bait you out. But that wasn’t my objective. I just try to call the game as I see it.
Others make mistakes, I know that. Thorniley Jesus that was a poor first half from him and he got rightly hooked. Yates was also pretty anonymous, with you correctly pointing out Embo spooned a few good chances.
However, I think we know where we are with Thorniley, Yates and Embo.
Sullay rightly still divides opinion. I don’t know if you saw it but I was quick to praise him in the last two games as he played key roles on the Oxford 90 minutes and the first 45 against Peterborough.
But your argument last time was he was out of position and I agreed with that whole heatedly. But for the last three games he’s been given the support and correct position to flourish. He did for the first half of those three games but has badly badly faded today and the second half against Peterborough. His goal today was incredibly lucky, I can just see him now round the back giving their keeper a brown bag full of notes for not stopping that trickle from going in. A joke to lighten the mood.
.anyway. Why I say I don’t know where we go from here is, he’s in the side to win us games like today, he has the talent and creative spark to get that third today or be switched on enough to track 5 yards back to get three points. But time and again he turns his own switch off and it’s incredibly frustrating, because the season isn’t over 2 game stretches he needs to repeat his Oxford and Peterborough first half performances over 6/7/8 games. He’s talented enough to do that and I don’t think I’m being unreasonable expecting it.
I think I’ve been fairly fair with management and players this year in praise and grievance when it’s been called for. I try not to knock people or get agitated just for the sake of it or on a whim - I fail often but I do try.
Last time wasn’t me criticising him, I wanted to argue that we shouldn’t keep him as he’s playing out of position fortunately Critch changed this and he improved. Let’s see where he is in ten games time, because right now he’s playing my for his future here.
That’s very nice of you TD, I’d like reciprocate, you are also one of my favourites on here. Now come on that blog won’t write its self. I’d argue you have a time machine in order to knock that out so quickly and professionally.
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Fair enough I see your argument. I just think we win the game today if he’s plays above 25%.
But I didn’t see much flair from him today. More of a faded musky smell of a spark that was lite last week.
td53
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Shit, is that why, right well then. Let’s get Mansford to send an email around to all the league one clubs asking them to to go easy on him for the last few games eh.
Ridiculous, the previous argument was, he was under used now he’s be put into a more favourable position he does well for a few games and then ends up costing us.
Inwant him to do well as I do with all of them, but when he has a performance like today I think it needs mentioning. I think Sully even knew today he’d fucked both the miss and the tracking back of you look at his reaction.
TD I knew this would bait you out. But that wasn’t my objective. I just try to call the game as I see it.
Others make mistakes, I know that. Thorniley Jesus that was a poor first half from him and he got rightly hooked. Yates was also pretty anonymous, with you correctly pointing out Embo spooned a few good chances.
However, I think we know where we are with Thorniley, Yates and Embo.
Sullay rightly still divides opinion. I don’t know if you saw it but I was quick to praise him in the last two games as he played key roles on the Oxford 90 minutes and the first 45 against Peterborough.
But your argument last time was he was out of position and I agreed with that whole heatedly. But for the last three games he’s been given the support and correct position to flourish. He did for the first half of those three games but has badly badly faded today and the second half against Peterborough. His goal today was incredibly lucky, I can just see him now round the back giving their keeper a brown bag full of notes for not stopping that trickle from going in. A joke to lighten the mood.
anyway. Why I say I don’t know where we go from here is, he’s in the side to win us games like today, he has the talent and creative spark to get that third today or be switched on enough to track 5 yards back to get three points. But time and again he turns his own switch off and it’s incredibly frustrating, because the season isn’t over 2 game stretches he needs to repeat his Oxford and Peterborough first half performances over 6/7/8 games. He’s talented enough to do that and I don’t think I’m being unreasonable expecting it.
I think I’ve been fairly fair with management and players this year in praise and grievance when it’s been called for. I try not to knock people or get agitated just for the sake of it or on a whim - I fail often but I do try.
Last time wasn’t me criticising him, I wanted to argue that we shouldn’t keep him as he’s playing out of position fortunately Critch changed this and he improved. Let’s see where he is in ten games time, because right now he’s playing my for his future here.
That’s very nice of you TD, I’d like reciprocate, you are also one of my favourites on here. Now come on that blog won’t write its self. I’d argue you have a time machine in order to knock that out so quickly and professionally.
It's all good. I think you were just playing the role of the proverbial cat after the injury time equaliser.
BFC_53
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I agree he could make all the difference. He just gives us something that none of our other forwards can, and i'm not necessarily saying he should start. But it's just yet another option that we don't have right now. He would certainly be able to hold the ball up far better than any of our other players in games where we have a slender lead and it's in the final minutes. Such a shame but I'm still positive about our chances.
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Yeh, we win that and he probably only gets a few sentences in a few comments, fine margins, but fine margins matter in this game.
Overall, with the patched up nature of the squad and a game every few days we’re performing better than we should be.
FLATBACKFOR
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In fairness to Kaikai he had taken a few knocks early on, during the second half I thought he looked tired.
Like other people have said if he plays well we play well. The squad now need to rest and recouperate.
Like other people have said if he plays well we play well. The squad now need to rest and recouperate.
Don’t think the heavy collision with the metal fence did him any favours, it seemed to knock the stuffing out of him
Ruperthoop
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Well earned point from a tired team.
TangerinePeel
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Can't believe our last loss was to Ipswich, that feels so bloody long ago (11 games ago).
I think with this squad, even at their bare bones are hard to beat. Based on that I think we're gonna secure play-offs, but days like today probably show we've left ourselves far too much to do with games we could have won in terms of getting automatic.
We've proven we can beat anyone up there this season with wins against Hull, Peterborough (x2) and Portsmouth (x2). Sunderland, Lincoln and Doncaster just have it coming. Keep the faith people!
I think with this squad, even at their bare bones are hard to beat. Based on that I think we're gonna secure play-offs, but days like today probably show we've left ourselves far too much to do with games we could have won in terms of getting automatic.
We've proven we can beat anyone up there this season with wins against Hull, Peterborough (x2) and Portsmouth (x2). Sunderland, Lincoln and Doncaster just have it coming. Keep the faith people!
1966_and_all_that
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Not going to read all of your post if you can only be insulting. Early on Kaikai took some punishment on several occasions. His contribution deteriorated after that. If we had someone to lean on the learners he might feel more confident.Shit, is that why, right well then. Let’s get Mansford to send an email around to all the league one clubs asking them to to go easy on him for the last few games eh.
Ridiculous, the previous argument was, he was under used now he’s be put into a more favourable position he does well for a few games and then ends up costing us.
Inwant him to do well as I do with all of them, but when he has a performance like today I think it needs mentioning. I think Sully even knew today he’d fucked both the kiss and the tracking back of you look at his reaction.
TD I knew this would bait you out. But that wasn’t my objective. I just try to call the game as I see it.
Others make mistakes, I know that. Thorniley Jesus that was a poor first half from him and he got rightly hooked. Yates was also pretty anonymous, with you correctly pointing out Embo spooned a few good chances.
However, I think we know where we are with Thorniley, Yates and Embo.
Sullay rightly still divides opinion. I don’t know if you saw it but I was quick to praise him in the last two games as he played key roles on the Oxford 90 minutes and the first 45 against Peterborough.
But your argument last time was he was out of position and I agreed with that whole heatedly. But for the last three games he’s been given the support and correct position to flourish. He did for the first half of those three games but has badly badly faded today and the second half against Peterborough. His goal today was incredibly lucky, I can just see him now round the back giving their keeper a brown bag full of notes for not stopping that trickle from going in. A joke to lighten the mood.
anyway. Why I say I don’t know where we go from here is, he’s in the side to win us games like today, he has the talent and creative spark to get that third today or be switched on enough to track 5 yards back to get three points. But time and again he turns his own switch off and it’s incredibly frustrating, because the season isn’t over 2 game stretches he needs to repeat his Oxford and Peterborough first half performances over 6/7/8 games. He’s talented enough to do that and I don’t think I’m being unreasonable expecting it.
I think I’ve been fairly fair with management and players this year in praise and grievance when it’s been called for. I try not to knock people or get agitated just for the sake of it or on a whim - I fail often but I do try.
Last time wasn’t me criticising him, I wanted to argue that we shouldn’t keep him as he’s playing out of position fortunately Critch changed this and he improved. Let’s see where he is in ten games time, because right now he’s playing my for his future here.
That’s very nice of you TD, I’d like reciprocate, you are also one of my favourites on here. Now come on that blog won’t write its self. I’d argue you have a time machine in order to knock that out so quickly and professionally.
Gretarsson for 45 mins but yes, I share your frustration.
Jaffa_The_Hut
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BBC post match comments.
Joe Edwards scores an injury time goal as Plymouth Argyle came back from being 2 goals down at Blackpool.
Joe Edwards scores an injury time goal as Plymouth Argyle came back from being 2 goals down at Blackpool.
Fatboy
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I wish people could see what is actually happening on the pitch, today Plymouth came with a game plan , that plan was to stifle our attacking players , two or three players around Kaikai each time he got the ball , same with Mitchell and Yates, they also closed us down in midfield . We turned it round in the second half , and it almost worked for us. So when the opposition seem to outplay us, it doesn’t mean we are crap, it might mean that the opposition are working their plan to good effect , I say we’ll played Plymouth, and we’ll played to the pool, for almost pulling off a decent comeback. UTMP.
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td53
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Exactly what I thought. They let Ward and Dougall have space and sacrificed covering them to shut off the options when they had the ball. Ward made some use of it, but it was a gamble that they won't hurt them in the way Kaikai and Embleton and Demi would.
LA1 Seasider
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That little snippet of my post is a dangerous one if people take it out of context !
I would personally (given the current injury situation) drop him and have Mitchell playing on the left and Ward or Gabriel playing on the right (if Turton is able to play right back). He would quite possibly benefit from a rest and playing with fresh legs against tiring players for once and would also benefit from knowing he has competition and therefore really needs to give a 100% performance and not 45 minutes of 90 or 30 of 90 like today. He’s scored a goal today... and I think it’s safe to say he was lucky with it... but that doesn’t mean he therefore gets away with a below par performance given what he’s shown he’s very capable of.
The team can’t afford passengers even for 5 minutes in a game let alone the amount of time Sullay is regularly going missing.
He’s an incredibly talented player but he’s not doing what he’s capable of and any pro footballer who switches off in injury time and let’s his man score an equaliser deserves pelters. When the same player hasn’t had a good game (30 mins aside) it’s only fair questions are asked.
BlackpoolsFinest
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Virtually every player we have right now could do with a rest. We don't have that option.
Singling out someone who has been a difference maker in the last few games we have played seems harsh.
No one can afford to switch off, but unfortunately players at every single level up to the World Cup finals do. I don't agree they should be dropped for it.
If we weren't all sat at home anally reviewing every single second of games then this over analysing wouldn't be happening. I cant wait to get back in to the grounds.
AndrewDuncanSmith
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Need some players back from injury to give NC more options when things aren t going to plan
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It wasn’t meant to be insulting so apologies. You’re a good poster 66 but he’s a grown man in a contact sport he’s going to get knocked about abit. If that’s the reason for his poor performance it would make me more annoyed.
If he can’t carry on because of a knock or injury he needs to come off.
1966_and_all_that
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Apology not needed Rekt'. I had in mind a Roy Kean sort of player who protects the slighter, more creative players.
Grumpy_no_more
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We're all agreed that a draw was fair, but we might have held on to the win if instead of trying to hang on - by substituting Robson for Embleton - he'd put on either Simms, Bange or Apter to try for another goal.
That was the difference between the two teams. They were going for another goal. We were aiming to hang on to the lead we had instead of increasing it.
That was the difference between the two teams. They were going for another goal. We were aiming to hang on to the lead we had instead of increasing it.
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Nah I was a bit snarky with my reply you were right.
I know what you mean, I guess Dougall there to do that bit of things, in an Ozzy surfer kind of way.
I do think KK’s potential for his head to go down after a miss or a big challenge is higher than most. I think we need someone to do some sort of mental attitude work with him.
TangerinePeel
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TangerinePeel
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A draw against Plymouth and we're trending in the UK. MASSIVE!
tommytwojags
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A goal up in the last few minutes, he's not going to bring a striker on.
tangerine.com
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They did in the end.
rememberlesshannon
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Disagree, you defend from the front, Yates looked leggy and Robson isn't Embleton.
But i'm not going to criticise anyone, we've basically got 13 or 14 we can choose from at the moment and 7 points from three tough games is an excellent return.
SomersetSeasider
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I don’t agree with Ryan Lowe’s comments re their sloppiness letting us in. We came out and pressed them much more which led to them making mistakes and us creating more chances. Having said that, I thought they were a decent side.
Insider
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Timpers I agree that Mitchell is Mr Duracell Bunny BUT he is careless with his distribution and I just think he needs a little bit more composure on the ball.
To be fair I could level the same criticism at Dougall, Ward, Garbutt and even Jerry.
For me if we could just sharpen up a bit on our passing we'd nudge our game up that crucial extra 10%.
Insider
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My view on this is that I don't like Ward playing alongside Dougall. With Virtue and Stewart out that role has to go to Robson.
I'd play Ward ahead of Mitchell, Kaikai and Embleton but you could mix 2 out those three up during the game.
We are running a little bit short of options though.
Gretarsson should return (Critch said Thorniley had a niggle) and with Marv, Ballard and Hubby all available for selection soon we'll have to debate Turts/Gabriel, Marv/Ballard and Hubby/Garbutt.
no-more-lies
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Not this season when your playing every Tues. Meaningless stat .
LA1 Seasider
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Once Husband, Marv and Ballard are available it also means Garbutt can play on the left flank too. Grettarson can play CB and LB too.
FyldeFollower
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Alf
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And if you only win at home on a tuesday the same is true. Only, if you've barely played at home on a Saturday all year and you win a large percentage of all the games you play elsewhere, it becomes a meaningless statistic.
kuriousoranj
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I think we did a job on ourselves to be honest.
Miko
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No they didn't play well in the end. They played OK in the middle part of the game. Just what they were doing at the start and the end is anybody's guess but, like others have said previously, by handing the initiative to the opposition for the last 10-15 minutes is suicide. Pool were controlling the game, high presssing and Plymouth were getting nowhere until it was decided to change it all. 2 points thrown away in my book.