Chris Badlan gone

So he allegedly leaked the team, so what? Like opposition managers are staying up the night before a game, pondering and musing over which 11 of our dog turd squad are gonna start the game? Statistics show it won't really make any difference to the result. We could have started the PNE game with the first 11 of Man City and we'd still have lost under MM - who'd probably play Haaland as right back.
 
td53 said:
They're not being paid a six figure salary to not tell anyone else though!
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What's that got to do with it?
The person he told has passed this on and according to this thread, lots of people then knew the team before 2pm.
I'm just trying to say that others are at fault too.
 
FYForesight said:
So he allegedly leaked the team, so what? Like opposition managers are staying up the night before a game, pondering and musing over which 11 of our dog turd squad are gonna start the game? Statistics show it won't really make any difference to the result. We could have started the PNE game with the first 11 of Man City and we'd still have lost under MM - who'd probably play Haaland as right back.
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He’d have picked Maxi in net too after convincing the City board to bring him in right at the end of the window
 
TangerineBayern said:
Looking at the club statement it seems he’s been potted perhaps he gave free tickets to all those Cov fans in corporate who were acting and behaving like bellenders!
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Not sure, it says he has left the club. To me saying he has left, is different to saying he's been sacked.
 
Doubt we will really know why he has left the club, and if it was due to a disciplinary issue it should rightly stay in-house.

What's to get worked up about?
 
Loco said:
What's that got to do with it?
The person he told has passed this on and according to this thread, lots of people then knew the team before 2pm.
I'm just trying to say that others are at fault too.
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Are they fuck at fault are you simple?
 
Loco said:
No, I don't think so.
Badlan (wrongly) told someone the team and then it became common knowledge within a group of people, because they all did the same.
Am I misunderstanding?
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Yep a senior club employee mouthed off the team for our biggest game in a pub

You are simple if think that's acceptable in any form whatsoever
 
EPM46 said:
Totally agree. After the Oyscums were ousted and a local Blackpool fan took over, I expected that us fans would be respected and kept informed of what was going on. I understand and accept that sensitive issues may be kept under wraps, but for something like this, there is no need for secrecy. It just ferments rumours.
BFC is OUR Club! SS has often said he is just the custodian. Without loyal fans there would be no Club! We deserve to be informed about what is going on and, at the present time, like mushrooms, we are being kept in the dark!
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Yeah let’s just disregard employment law and procedures
 
Seaseaseasider said:
It's not looking good is it? We have had awful recruitment and awful managerial selections. We bring in a Director of Football to try and sort all that out, and it turns out he's awful too!

We can't seem to get anything right. Did we do our homework on Badlan? Apparently he left Norwich in not the best circumstances too.

Who is going to pick the next manager now?
Is our summer player recruitment completely ruined now?
Will we be appointing a new Sporting Director who will choose the next manager? Those left at the club certainly can't get that right!

The club have said they will not be making any further comments, but with things going as they are, fans will be wanting answers.
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They will appoint a replacement
 
Loco said:
What's that got to do with it?
The person he told has passed this on and according to this thread, lots of people then knew the team before 2pm.
I'm just trying to say that others are at fault too.
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The others aren’t paid by the club, he was, he had no right to flap his gums. He’s been fired, it’s absolutely the correct decision. I don’t get the debate
 
EPM46 said:
Totally agree. After the Oyscums were ousted and a local Blackpool fan took over, I expected that us fans would be respected and kept informed of what was going on. I understand and accept that sensitive issues may be kept under wraps, but for something like this, there is no need for secrecy. It just ferments rumours.
BFC is OUR Club! SS has often said he is just the custodian. Without loyal fans there would be no Club! We deserve to be informed about what is going on and, at the present time, like mushrooms, we are being kept in the dark!
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You are completely wrong

The reasons for dismissal / resignation are a matter between the employee and the employer and are sensitive

If the parties agree to disclose the reason then they can but in the majority cases it’s not disclosed

As I’ve said prior I’m more arsed about who’s coming in because there is a big job to do fairly shortly
 
Loco said:
If he only told one person in a pub, then that person is just as at fault for telling someone else. If he told multiple people, then that's different. All I I was trying to say is that other people have happily passed on the team news too. I'm not defending Badlan.
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No they’re not ‘just as at fault’ at all. They have no professional responsibility.

Who’s to say that the information even came with a request to keep the confidence if the bloke had had a few and even if it did, how serious should someone take that from a person who’s gobbing off to ransoms in a pub ?

There’s a massive difference
 
I think it's just because it's yet another fuck up in a season of utter fuck ups, we are about to be relegated and it’s been a really really shit season from start to finish. We were all elated when the vermin were eradicated from our club and we got a new owner. Ever since then I have been a bit underwhelmed, of course promotion was fantastic as was our position at the end of last season, but something changed halfway through that season and instead of pushing on and progressing we have gone in the other direction and not gradually, but with much haste and it seems to be gaining momentum rather than stopping and turning. When we go down, I don’t think there’s an if, although I hope I get to eat those words, going into league 1 in the sorry state we are in now, the feel good factor gone and a new manager needed, a new recruitment team, practically a whole squad and in reality a complete change of the board then I’m not sure we have much to be optimistic about.

We shouldn’t be feeling this flat after such a short time of a new owner. There is silence from the club, one catastrophe after another so I think it is only right that the powers that be are asked WTF is going on and how are you going to retrieve it. I think we will know a lot more by August this year, if not before, but if Sadler is serious about being the owner of our club then he needs to be far more astute than he has been or we’ll be in league 2 by May next year.
 
The Arndale huh. Doesn't look like a shopping centre. Smacks of another clueless buffoon who waxed lyrical about the Seafarers bar. Amateur hour continues to rule the roost at our historic club.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
No they’re not ‘just as at fault’ at all. They have no professional responsibility.

Who’s to say that the information even came with a request to keep the confidence if the bloke had had a few and even if it did, how serious should someone take that from a person who’s gobbing off to ransoms in a pub ?

There’s a massive difference
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No common sense amongst the lot of them.
 
Can I just say I really miss Neil Critchley?! I'll come to Badlan in a bit.

Because we were a bit of a shambles pre Critchley and we've been a bit of a shambles post Critchley. Quite a few people on here were dissing him before he left. Some fans turn on people regardless of how good a job they have done. We've seen it before.

Anyway the point I want to make is that we haven't made enough good football appointments since SS took over. Including Badlan, probably. In fact you might argue that Critchley has been the only one. Mansford is an administrator. I wouldn't be asking him to select football people. If that is what he does I think it's a bit odd. Especially if SS and Gerrity are also involved. Let Mansford sort out the east stand and training ground, player contracts etc. He's probably will equipped to do that sort of stuff. He doesn't know how to find head coaches it seems.

Grayson, Appleton and McCarthy are the same mistake, times three. It looks like a desire to avoid risk, but it's really poor decision making. Grayson was obviously not in a good place after Sunderland and hasn't recovered. A spent force. Appleton was not in a good place after cancer and Lincoln. A spent force in need of recuperation. McCarthy was in a golf and grandparent place. Fully ensconced in relaxation and retirement. And all three are old school and behind the curve. It would have been less risky to take a bigger risk than these three. They need to stop thinking they have the skills between them to make these decisions because they clearly don't.

Badlan and his sidekick were odd appointments too for me. We don't sign people like Gyokeres and O'Hare cos we are lower budget. Most of our current players have been identified by Critchley and Appleton I reckon. When Badlan arrived i imagined him handing lists to Mansford, and Mansford going back to him later asking for more names. "We can't agree terms with those." And us getting Appleton loans instead.

And why was it a shock to them that Critchley, after two very good first seasons in management and a period running Liverpool's academy, got a job offer with a huge pay rise that he couldn't refuse? Which resulted in the biggest mistake to date. Critch wasn't a natural fit for us, long term.

However. Sadler is our owner. He wants to do the right thing. He's a decent guy. He's learning on the job. He's repaired lots of damage and funded us through Covid. He has planned investment. He got us promoted quickly. He's a million miles from what we had before for 30 years and longer and we should be careful what we wish for. He just needs to wise up in recruitment terms. Somehow.

In the real world though it can be hard to find the right people when you need them. And they can disappear overnight. It's not easy. As a fanbase we expect our club to punch above its weight. Unreasonably. Then crucify people if they fail to achieve that standard.

Three clubs have to go down and we have one of the lowest budgets. So nature is having its wicked way. Assisted by a hierarchy that isnt functioning well, in terms of on field performance, it would appear. Partly cos it's a very difficult task running a football club in the English pyramid given the finances of the pyramid and the way it is run. Dodgy owners and money and contracts etc. we are punching upwards against opponents who don't all play by the rules and or have significantly bigger budgets. Could anyone else do better? Who? Are they prepared to take the plunge, take the flak and dip into their savings?

SS and co could do better certainly. They seem to be making the recruitment decisions, in a field of work they lack experience of, and the decisions tend to be based on fear, possibly. They look for the experience of Grayson ,Appleton and McCarthy but overlook the warning signs. Grayson's shot confidence, Appleton's cancer recovery and McCarthy's golf course retirement demeanour. Lack of rigour and lack of instinct. Think clearly. Examine the person and where they are at right now in the moment of recruitment. We don't have the funds to cherry pick, but we can do better by looking for the right skill set and the right energy. Like Critchley. Like Evatt.

I do also wonder if our fan base puts people off applying for the head coach job. Appleton looked scared, McCarthy even seemed wary based on previous experience at Bloomfield Rd. Critchley looked wary even though he was doing well. Mid table security first season wasn't enough for some. We needed more style, more goals and a play off push. When we tailed off after safety was assured the knives came out. Our fans don't help and I would never choose to own or run a football club. Especially one with a slightly unhinged, overly expectant, kind of adolescent bullying element in its fanbase. A mixed blessing set of supporters. With remnants still of a protest mentality, perhaps?

We need more emotional stability. Less fear. Smarter recruitment. Clarity of vision. Realistic expectations. Continuity.

Critchley was a good appointment but he was never really comfortable. He came from a very different culture. He wasn't going to stay here once a big pay rise was offered, at a better resourced club. You have to assess potential key employees for their ability to thrive within and enjoy the culture. It's one of the factors to take into account. You have to assess their energy. Grayson arrived drained. Critch arrived full of energy and confidence. Appleton arrived drained and a bit in denial of his past and his health situation. McCarthy arrived marking his scorecard, with a boot full of golf gear and his grandkids overnight bags. All these things can be spotted when you talk to people, if you listen and watch and take your time. And you know what you are doing. Evatt had the energy, he was starting his management career impressively, and he knows the culture at our club and saw how it could thrive, under Holloway, by using that culture as a positive. And he wanted to come here. Commitment. I was annoyed about the club's dismissal of him at the time.
 
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Loco said:
No common sense amongst the lot of them.
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I think you’re largely missing the point Loco. The overriding consideration here is not whether a single team has been leaked early… It’s all of the implications that sit behind that..

The broken trust and lack of professionalism and appropriate conduct that are all qualities that are fundamental to a senior club position.

In many ways the fan passing this on has done everyone a favour, because we’ve rooted him out for what he is.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
I think you’re largely missing the point Loco. The overriding consideration here is not whether a single team has been leaked early… It’s all of the implications that sit behind that..

The broken trust and lack of professionalism and appropriate conduct that are all qualities that are fundamental to a senior club position.

In many ways the fan passing this on has done everyone a favour, because we’ve rooted him out for what he is.
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I'm not missing the point. He had to go if he did that. That's a given. But fans passing the team news around just means it becomes common knowledge, exacerbating the disclosure. It is you who are missing my point.
 
So we know Badlan leaked the team. Obviously wrong to do so? Sacking on the spot*? Some say yes, I'd say no given the job he needs to do- a massive fine and slap would have done for me.

So what now? Another fuck up of an appointment? The job needs to be filled quickly and I can only presume that if they thought Critchley leaving was a surprise then this is ghost train stuff. A panic in, or will they even bring someone in, given L1 beckons?

Perhaps the leak was a most convenient opportunity to a) lose wages for L1 and b) BBM to strengthen his position in the face of criticism.

Nothing is straightforward round here.

*The biggest crime wasn't leaking the team but picking it and that ** gets away Irish free.
 
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Loco said:
I'm not missing the point. He had to go if he did that. That's a given. But fans passing the team news around just means it becomes common knowledge, exacerbating the disclosure. It is you who are missing my point.
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That’s the point though… ‘The disclosure itself’ is not massively relevant. It’s the act of disclosing (and all the associated connotations) that go along with it that really matters.

Like I say… you really are missing the point, because the focus of your attention (as demonstrated by everything you post) is not grasping the fundamental issue.

You see “Team news getting out” as the issue and therefore you see that the fan has ‘exacerbated the problem’… You’re being sidetracked by the detail.

We are talking about an untrustworthy member of the executive panel, who has disclosed sensitive information, could potentially leak more important information, doesn’t respect the club or his boss and the wider context.

The actions of Chris Badlan are no better or no worse whether the information gets passed around or it doesn’t.

You either get that or you don’t !!
 
1. Even if team information has been leaked, I'm struggling to see how that would assist the opposition.... We aren't capable of making head nor tails of it, and clearly the squad haven't got any idea of what MM is 'trying' to achieve, so Lord knows how other coaches can possibly use the Intel to their own ends...!
It's more likely that they would think it's actually an attempt at 'disinformation' because, surely no credible coach would actually set their team up like MM does...

Oh, hang on a minute....

2. Any chance that somebody could 'leak' this week's team/tactics to our squad this week? They might be able to get a scintilla of an idea of what to do, and what weird and wonderful tactics MM has pulled out of his cornflake box....!
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
That’s the point though… ‘The disclosure itself’ is not massively relevant. It’s the act of disclosing (and all the associated connotations) that go along with it that really matters.

Like I say… you really are missing the point, because the focus of your attention (as demonstrated by everything you post) is not grasping the fundamental issue.

You see “Team news getting out” as the issue and therefore you see that the fan has ‘exacerbated the problem’… You’re being sidetracked by the detail.

We are talking about an untrustworthy member of the executive panel, who has disclosed sensitive information, could potentially leak more important information, doesn’t respect the club or his boss and the wider context.

The actions of Chris Badlan are no better or no worse whether the information gets passed around or it doesn’t.

You either get that or you don’t !!
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I do get that. But criticising someone for leaking the team whilst passing it on seems a tad hypocritical. I'm not saying it's on the same level.
 
Loco said:
I do get that. But criticising someone for leaking the team whilst passing it on seems a tad hypocritical. I'm not saying it's on the same level.
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Like I say you're missing the point...

a) It's not necessarily the same people / person who are criticising as to who passed it on...

and

b) Even if it were the issue is not about passing the information on per se (something you seem to be stuck with here) it's about WHO it was that passed it on.
 
BFC_BFC_BFC said:
Like I say you're missing the point...

a) It's not necessarily the same people / person who are criticising as to who passed it on...

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b) Even if it were the issue is not about passing the information on per se (something you seem to be stuck with here) it's about WHO it was that passed it on.
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It's my opinion. You don't agree. Nothing more to say.
 
Loco said:
It's my opinion. You don't agree. Nothing more to say.
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lol...

There's no point getting frustrated with me... I fully understand it's your opinion. I'm not disagreeing with you, that the person who passed the information has some responsibility for it getting out to whoever he told and so on, but as I keep repeating, THAT isn't the issue here. 👍

Look at it a different way..

The Prime Minister is found to have been in a nightclub and openly snorted cocaine...

Does it make any difference whatsoever if he is filmed doing so by the club CCTV Cameras or by the bloke he just shared a line of coke with?
 
voyeur said:
I do also wonder if our fan base puts people off applying for the head coach job. Appleton looked scared, McCarthy even seemed wary based on previous experience at Bloomfield Rd. Critchley looked wary even though he was doing well.

Cos mid table security first season wasn't enough for some. We needed more style, more goals and a play off push. When we tailed off after safety was assured the knives came out. Our fans don't help and I would never choose to own or run a football club. Especially one with a slightly unhinged, overly expectant element in its fanbase. A mixed blessing set of supporters. With remnants still of a protest mentality, perhaps?
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Na, most sets of fans can turn after a few consecutive losses. We largely haven't done that, even under Appleton it was far from completely toxic at games, only a couple of chants against him near the end. It was flat though.

Expectation is at all clubs, if anything some more unrealistic thinking they deserve to be in the prem. The majority of pool fans are perfectly happy staying up, not that we shouldn't aim higher.

Most outsiders don't have a clue about the boycott years or what our fans went through.

Having a passionate fanbase who create a great home atmosphere is a plus, not a negative. When we're at it it makes it easier to get results at Bloomfield road, so any manager should harness that.

I don't see anyone being put off by fans, the main thing is money and the likelihood well be successful with the squad they'll have available to them.
 
JJpool said:
Na, most sets of fans can turn after a few consecutive losses. We largely haven't done that, even under Appleton it was far from completely toxic at games, only a couple of chants against him near the end. It was flat though.

Expectation is at all clubs, if anything some more unrealistic thinking they deserve to be in the prem. The majority of pool fans are perfectly happy staying up, not that we shouldn't aim higher.

Most outsiders don't have a clue about the boycott years or what our fans went through.

Having a passionate fanbase who create a great home atmosphere is a plus, not a negative. When we're at it it makes it easier to get results at Bloomfield road, so any manager should harness that.

I don't see anyone being put off by fans, the main thing is money and the likelihood well be successful with the squad they'll have available to them.
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Some fair points JJ but I'm just saying it is both a plus and a minus. You're not putting yourself in the shoes of the owner, CEO and head coach, who have to manage the fans as well as the staff and the business. You have a bit of a fixation with fan numbers, seating plans, graphs, maps of the stadium and surrounding area, recorded decibel levels etc and can't accept any criticism of the fans I think.
 
voyeur said:
Some fair points JJ but I'm just saying it is both a plus and a minus. You're not putting yourself in the shoes of the owner, CEO and head coach, who have to manage the fans as well as the staff and the business. You have a bit of a fixation with fan numbers, seating plans, graphs, maps of the stadium and surrounding area, recorded decibel levels etc and can't accept any criticism of the fans I think.
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No I don’t, I just want the club to be all it can be. Showing how many we've sold is of interest to many. A fixation with graphs and decibel levels...Lol. I used a map to show Blackburn is south of Blackpool that time, as many thought it was north...🙄 surely a map is ideal for that...

Our fans won't be much different to manage than most.

How can't I accept any criticism? Our fans aren't perfect but have been a damn site better than a lot of others at times. It's a daft comment to suggest the fans might be a reason why we don't get managers. When we pay low wages for the league and aren't an attractive club at the level in their eyes. Seems like you're trying to cast blame away from reality.
 
Don't know if this has been discussed but what has happened to this Stuart Benthom bloke who came with him?
 
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