Cummings

20togo said:
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A bit of an in deep analysis but you know what, I agree with your point on the psychedelics even though it's too general to cast all that generation in that category. There's plenty on here though who do fit the bill! I end up disagreeing with a lot of them!šŸ˜„
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Sorry, I do this. I get a bit carried away.

I knew people growing up who got lost in drugs and saw it as 'an act of rebellion' when really, all they did was vastly reduce their interaction with the world. I think the internet can be great for connecting people and helping people organise but it can have a similar effect.
 
td53 said:
Sorry, I do this. I get a bit carried away.

I knew people growing up who got lost in drugs and saw it as 'an act of rebellion' when really, all they did was vastly reduce their interaction with the world. I think the internet can be great for connecting people and helping people organise but it can have a similar effect.
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yep agree. I'll just say I'm glad you wrote those words as I perhaps would have been pilloried for it.
 
20togo said:
yep agree. I'll just say I'm glad you wrote those words as I perhaps would have been pilloried for it.
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I'd add, the alt-right have embraced the internet as much as the left. The internet and particularly twitter has become a battle ground that is quite removed from reality and knows no boundaries. I see people on Twitter in particular arguing across national boundaries and I sometimes wonder...

'if you applied the same energy to your immediate surroundings...'

I've been a union rep for a long time. For personal reasons I tried to give it up (I wasn't very well a few years ago) and I literally couldn't get anyone to put their hand up. I see the people I represent raging on twitter or Facebook about this and that and the other and part of me thinks - it's a cop out, it's just a venting mechanism, you had a chance to DO something and you didn't take it.

That said, I do it too, and the way political parties cynically manipulate social media is really quite disturbing. If you carry on the drug metaphor, it becomes even more so.

One of the reasons I like this site is it is broadly representative (compared to a twitter bubble) and it's also not algorithm driven. You basically see what has been said by an actual person (you can insert the Cat comment here ;-)) and whilst there's a few trolls of all shades, there isn't anything like the same degree of sinister stuff at play as on other platforms.

Arguing amongst ourselves is pointless, but you get ongoing debates and it is a sort of community. When people argue with the whole world on twitter, I think it's really damaging to their mental health.

Right, have a good un. I'm off to do some virtuous things for orphans and trees and self publicise them, wearing a rainbow jumper, powered by organic mung beans and fair trade chai.

I'm not, I'm just going to have brew and have no impact on the world at all.

Man makes point about internet addiction on the internet shocker.

UTMP!
 
Have a good day. I've just spotted something on this thread from my favourite poster which needs a reply.
 
TD, please keep writing your thoughts and blogs. You sometimes have a different take which I find refreshing, and are always worth reading. The positive side of the internet is connecting people with similar views, proving to them that they are not alone. In these days of largely Privately owned agenda driven media, it helps us little people get hints of the real world.
 
Tangerinemoss said:
TD, please keep writing your thoughts and blogs. You sometimes have a different take which I find refreshing, and are always worth reading. The positive side of the internet is connecting people with similar views, proving to them that they are not alone. In these days of largely Privately owned agenda driven media, it helps us little people get hints of the real world.
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Aye, I agree. I think my view on the internet is a bit like my view on drugs or drinking, you have to control it and it's fine. If it controls you, you've got a problem... If you're in control, it will add pleasure to life. I think political Twitter is essentially crack cocaine. Start on that and self control is impossible...

I appreciate your comment. I've written for years and whilst my blog isn't exactly top of the best sellers list, comments on here and encouragement from Jane and Lee have made me really enjoy doing it. I've not written as consistently and with as much enjoyment for years. Knowing a few people read it just gives enough impetus to keep doing it. I've always got an idea in my head for what I could do next and that's a real pleasure.

The mystery is, given that I've liked writing for nearly as long as the mighty and football in general, why did it take me till 40 to put the two together? I'd literally never considered it before. In retrospect, I think, why not?
 
td53 said:
What agenda?

Your argument seems to be 'a butterfly flapped its wings somewhere'

In every political crisis or scandal ever, the opposition lost prior to the party who are in crisis or scandal being in power. We've done the 'labour lost because... to death' and if you wish to (I wouldn't, it's boring) look at my comments, I'm quite clear that I am of the opinion that Corbyn should have gone sometime after 2017 and allowed Labour to build on the reletively decent showing then.

I'm not sure I have a defined agenda, and if I do, it certainly isn't slavish loyalty to Corbyn and his memory. I'm just not altogether sure what he has to do with Cummings breaking his own rules or Boris swearing black is white in defence of him
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Corbyn has nothing to do with Cummings breaking the rules. You come across intelligent and articulate, so please just read my post again
 
bollieboy said:
Cummings statement : 'I realise the unfortunate events of the last few days have shown the public's concern in the trust of this government and thus, reluctantly, I have accepted the resgnation of the Prime Minister. '
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I think that he is going to try and talk his way out of it, there is no other reason for him to take questions.
The other scenario in my mind is that he knows the game is up because the police enquiry will expose his trip to Barnards Castle
I have a feeling that he may make things even worse if it is the first of the two choices.
He has come a long way from 'it doesn't matter what you think' that he told the press a couple of days ago - now he is giving his own press conferences! It is unprecendented for an advisor to do this, as soon as they are the story they should resign.
 
Boris will be cacking himself at what he comes out with. "Well, I asked the PM's permission and he told me it was fine, don't worry what the plebs think"
 
It'll be refreshing to listen to the real PM I suppose. This is fairly unprecedented I would have thought. Not sure of the reasoning tbh unless he tries to spin the visit, mention his child, his wife's illness and hope enough people go 'aww'.
It may work.
 
The other reason that I don't think it will be a resignation is that surely Johnson has to sack him rather than let him resign with a presser. A resignation makes Johnson look weak, like as many suspect Cummings is the defacto PM
 
ElBurroSinNombre said:
The other reason that I don't think it will be a resignation is that surely Johnson has to sack him rather than let him resign with a presser. A resignation makes Johnson look weak, like as many suspect Cummings is the defacto PM
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Not necessarily so. That Scottish woman resigned didn't she? Sturgeon didn't sack her. In fact Sturgeon supported her in her press conference before she resigned later that night/next day as I recall. As long as Cummings goes I think it makes little difference even if the PM says "I reluctantly accept...ā€¦".
 
20togo said:
Have to say, it's not something I'm gonna get angry or annoyed over. He's done wrong so he has to go, that's it. No point getting that worked up over it that affects your daily life. And this "little people" comment from 66 is just a mindset. Just get on with your life and enjoy it. Don't let other people have so much influence over things. That's why I'm not into politics, I'm not the social conscience of the world. It'll just eat away at you as some on here show evidence of. Not that they realise it of course.
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He's got to go. Except he's not going. He has the PMs full backing.
 
Sooty59 said:
Hope the press ask him to reveal his phone records.
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Google map tracing would soon put a stop to the speculation if he'd been nowhere near Barnard Castle. The fact it's not in a lapdog paper means there must be something in it.
 
I suspect it will be a tug on our heartstrings but unless something very dramatic is revealed that won't wash. Too many people have made similar or bigger sacrifices for him to be exceptional.
 
Jeez I am not sure what was more painful
Boris yesterday or Cummings today
For a bright and highly articulate man he didn't half labour over the questions If I didn't know better I would think he was trying to remember his lines
 
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20togo said:
Not necessarily so. That Scottish woman resigned didn't she? Sturgeon didn't sack her. In fact Sturgeon supported her in her press conference before she resigned later that night/next day as I recall. As long as Cummings goes I think it makes little difference even if the PM says "I reluctantly accept...ā€¦".
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She's Northern Irish.
 
I see it looks like he was also telling porkies about his blog posting that he mentioned yesterday (warning about a virus last year). It looks like the reference to coronavirus was updated in April this year!
What a whopper!
 
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Why Barnard Castle - Craig Murray

UPDATED Dominic Cummings specifically stated now in the press briefing that he had been eager to ā€œget back to work to get vaccine deals through, move regulations asideā€ and that is why he drove to Barnard Castle to test his eyesight. Now it may be entirely a coincidence that the place to which...
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Ormergod said:
www.craigmurray.org.uk

Why Barnard Castle - Craig Murray

UPDATED Dominic Cummings specifically stated now in the press briefing that he had been eager to ā€œget back to work to get vaccine deals through, move regulations asideā€ and that is why he drove to Barnard Castle to test his eyesight. Now it may be entirely a coincidence that the place to which...
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Another random coincidence that we need to ignore and move on from. Deal signed within 2 days of him not going there, honest.
 
Don't know if it's been mentioned before but I've just had a thought as to why Cummings hasn't resigned and the PM hasn't sacked him.
What if the PM told him to go?
 
What if Boris, was temprarily blinded by Covid 19 and thought that Dominic Cummings was a lost Scottish farmworker from Durham and mistakenly told him to get out of No 10 and jollywell return back to his Farm immediately, before falling unconscious.

In those circumstances Cummings, whilst slightly taken aback and puzzled, would surely feel obliged to follow his masters instructions ?
 
OR

What if Cummings was so affected by the crippling pain of Covid that he was forced to use his super powers and shapeshift into a Leprechaun in order to bring the Country some Good Luck. Then he followed a yellow brick road up to Durham, cured himself of blindness by travelling to Barnard Castle and then went back in time to predict the Covid 19 crisis on his blog, before returning to London to stop the virus and flatten the curve?
 
Argh men. Just letā€™s face it. They probably haveā€™ thingsā€™ on each other now, whatever they are, that are fronting and dictating this facade.
Without that Boris would have made him walk now, without a doubt.
If he isnā€™t shown the door we may never discover the dirt that binds. Thatā€™s why we just have to acknowledge it exists and make our own judgement call and react accordingly.
 
Lala said:
Argh men. Just letā€™s face it. They probably haveā€™ thingsā€™ on each other now, whatever they are, that are fronting and dictating this facade.
Without that Boris would have made him walk now, without a doubt.
If he isnā€™t shown the door we may never discover the dirt that binds. Thatā€™s why we just have to acknowledge it exists and make our own judgement call and react accordingly.
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I don't think there's some amazing dirt. I just think Boris is more scared of Cummings not being in his team telling him what to do than he is of public ridicule, which, by now, he's probably pretty inured to.

Cummings is Gove's boy. If Boris bagged him, Boris would be forever awaiting a stab in the back from within and he knows full well that both Cummings and Gove are cleverer, sharper, more cunning political operators than him. Gove would be Brutus. Boris would never see it coming.
 
Mexboroseasider said:
Yep.

That pretty much sums it up.
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Perhaps The Spectator are a tad angry about publishing the story of Mary Wakefieldā€™s ā€œLondon Lockdownā€ - and being the wife of Dominic Cummings her story bears no resemblance to the events as described by Cummings in his press conference - they will take anyone for a ride (literally) this lot! Wonder if she will return the article fee?
 
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