Let’s hope this local lady is found safe

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This reminds me a great deal of the Claudia Lawrence case in York. She disappeared in 2009, and has never been found.

Unfortunately, the longer she is missing the less likely the outcome will be positive but hopefully, there will be an ending to this for the family's sake.
 
Curryman said:
This reminds me a great deal of the Claudia Lawrence case in York. She disappeared in 2009, and has never been found.

Unfortunately, the longer she is missing the less likely the outcome will be positive but hopefully, there will be an ending to this for the family's sake.
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There was a case in the Manchester Evening News last night with a lot of similarities. This time it was a man who’s disappeared on December 28. Had gone out for a walk, spoke to his wife on the phone while he was out. Said he was going to walk along the Bridgewater canal path then just disappeared. His phone and other belongings have been found. No dog but otherwise so similar. Very tragic for the families. I can’t imagine how they cope.
 
A number of options.
Just done a bunk.
Accident in river?
Had enough of life.
Gone off with lover?
Lost mind and doesn't know where she is?
The possibilities are endless.
We can only hope that she has survived and is safe somewhere.
 
Police update.

No sign of her and they think she fell in the river and (added by me) she's probably snagged up underwater hopefully. Otherwise it means out to sea and no body to bury.

One thing, she isn't coming back. Poor girl.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
Said this all along.

You just wouldn’t get the Police issuing a statement saying they don’t believe foul play was involved.

They’ve been searching the river for a week now so that tells you all you need to know.
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The simplest solution is usually the most likely.

But not sure how if you fell in you can't get back out.

Ok cold water shock, but you fell in at an edge, surely you can scramble out.

How deep can it be at points, as it said some part was deeper... Is not sloped at the edge?

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River Wyre at St Michaels: River level and flood alerts

River levels and flood alerts for the River Wyre at St Michaels, Lancashire
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This seems to suggest it's not been very deep.
 
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JJpool said:
The simplest solution is usually the most likely.

But not sure how if you fell in you can't get back out.

Ok cold water shock, but you fell in at an edge, surely you can scramble out.

How deep is can it be at points, as it said some part was deeper... Is not sloped at the edge?

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River Wyre at St Michaels: River level and flood alerts

River levels and flood alerts for the River Wyre at St Michaels, Lancashire
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This seems to suggest it's not been very deep.
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I’ve fished the Wyre for the best part of 40 years as a member of St Michaels angling club the river here averages from about 5ft-10ft deep but it has loads of snags like underlying trees/bushes and the bottom is very soft mud.
Like I’ve said previously you fall in you’re not getting out till way downstream and that’s if you’ve avoided the freezing cold water/hyperthermia setting in first.
 
The Police must know more than they are letting on to have ruled out any other leads.
Find it hard to believe she slipped in the river from there.
That part of the river near the bench is usually not particularly fast flowing. It picks up faster around the bend and past the weir.
 
It reminds me more of the very sad case of student Megan Roberts who fell into the Ouse in the centre of York, in January nine years ago. That was tragic. Cold water shock will do for you. Her corpse was eventually found 6 weeks later, 5 miles downstream. It takes that long for bodies to float to the surface if not trapped. There are plenty more historic cases in the Ouse because it’s a big, deep fast-flowing river through a heavily-populated region and, as people have said, some are never found.
www.theguardian.com

Megan Roberts: body found in river Ouse downstream from York

Police believe student who disappeared during a night out with friends in York in January fell into the river
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I’ve fished the Wyre for the best part of 40 years as a member of St Michaels angling club the river here averages from about 5ft-10ft deep but it has loads of snags like underlying trees/bushes and the bottom is very soft mud.
Like I’ve said previously you fall in you’re not getting out till way downstream and that’s if you’ve avoided the freezing cold water/hyperthermia setting in first.
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The part she may have fell in just looks like you could get out to me. If you go on Google maps there is a photosphere of pretty much the exact spot.

Google Earth

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Not sure if that'll work.

She apparently knew not to go near the edge as its slippery and knew the route very well. Not impossible she made a mistake or maybe she had some sort of medical issue and fell in, whoknows.

She was apparently a good swimmer.
 
Jaffa_The_Hut said:
I’ve fished the Wyre for the best part of 40 years as a member of St Michaels angling club the river here averages from about 5ft-10ft deep but it has loads of snags like underlying trees/bushes and the bottom is very soft mud.
Like I’ve said previously you fall in you’re not getting out till way downstream and that’s if you’ve avoided the freezing cold water/hyperthermia setting in first.
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Her clothes would have dragged her down.
 
tangerine_neil said:
The Police must know more than they are letting on to have ruled out any other leads.
Find it hard to believe she slipped in the river from there.
That part of the river near the bench is usually not particularly fast flowing. It picks up faster around the bend and past the weir.
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Nor particularly deep, the website I posted a few posts ago seems to indicate .5m recently although not sure if it's like that all along. Near the bench on the opposite side looks sloped so looks like you could get out there of you made it there, also on the side with the bench there's bushes to grab etc.
 
I'm no expert but I believe that the Wyre is still tidal at St. Michael's. Could she have drowned and been taken out to sea? Apologies if already discussed.
 
tangerine_neil said:
The Police must know more than they are letting on to have ruled out any other leads.
Find it hard to believe she slipped in the river from there.
That part of the river near the bench is usually not particularly fast flowing. It picks up faster around the bend and past the weir.
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I think it’s their ‘hypothesis’ because they can’t track her leaving the area. There is CCTv on the other exits but not on the one nearest to where her things were found. However, with only a 10 minute missing window they don’t seem to feel that she could or would have exited.
 
Lala said:
I think it’s their ‘hypothesis’ because they can’t track her leaving the area. There is CCTv on the other exits but not on the one nearest to where her things were found. However, with only a 10 minute missing window they don’t seem to feel that she could or would have exited.
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I just don’t have much faith in the Police tbh.
Just because she didn’t appear on CCTV doesn’t mean someone couldn’t have bundled her into a van or car boot.
There‘s also a load of lodges only two fields over with easy access in and out. Nobody would even see you.
 
tangerine_neil said:
I just don’t have much faith in the Police tbh.
Just because she didn’t appear on CCTV doesn’t mean someone couldn’t have bundled her into a van or car boot.
There‘s also a load of lodges only two fields over with easy access in and out. Nobody would even see you.
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No I know what you mean Neil. It’s a working hypothesis but it isn’t conclusive.
 
Sooty59 said:
I believe there's a weir around there so with my limited knowledge, it would seen rather unlikely for something to get past it.
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You wouldn’t think so. Depends on how much rainfall we had that week. Struggling to remember. It flows down from the hills. I know it can get deep at times. It was only a couple of years ago it broke the banks just upstream and it often floods over onto A586 Garstang Rd at the narrowest point going out of the village.
 
Archibald Knox said:
It reminds me more of the very sad case of student Megan Roberts who fell into the Ouse in the centre of York, in January nine years ago. That was tragic. Cold water shock will do for you. Her corpse was eventually found 6 weeks later, 5 miles downstream. It takes that long for bodies to float to the surface if not trapped. There are plenty more historic cases in the Ouse because it’s a big, deep fast-flowing river through a heavily-populated region and, as people have said, some are never found.
www.theguardian.com

Megan Roberts: body found in river Ouse downstream from York

Police believe student who disappeared during a night out with friends in York in January fell into the river
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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Yet Rory Johnson, someone I knew but not well, he presumably fell into that river after a night out in late Nov 2015, but nothings ever been found. The Ouse is a far bigger, deeper and dangerous river though. Utterly tragic for the family to never have any closure.
 
tangerine_neil said:
You wouldn’t think so. Depends on how much rainfall we had that week. Struggling to remember. It flows down from the hills. I know it can get deep at times. It was only a couple of years ago it broke the banks just upstream and it often floods over onto A586 Garstang Rd at the narrowest point going out of the village.
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Yet this website, if accurate, but it seems to match the gov site, doesn't indicate any great depth of water, shows past dates too.

riverlevels.uk

River Wyre at St Michaels: River level and flood alerts

River levels and flood alerts for the River Wyre at St Michaels, Lancashire
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The Superintendent in charge has put all her eggs in one basket by declaring there is only one hypothesis & not keeping an open mind.
The Police must have compelling evidence to reach this conclusion.
If not, surely the Superintendent can only say with any degree of accuracy, 'on the facts we have, the most probable scenario is ...... but we have to consider all possibilities, and continue to appeal to the public for their assistance' etc.
If they can't substantiate only having one sole line of enquiry, it's a basic error in running a major investigation. As they risk losing the public, who will rightly conclude that they cannot give any useful information, other than help to locate where Nicolas body is located.
Don't give up on Nicola and avoid tunnel vision.
 
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The police haven't released all information. So maybe they are looking at other avenues. If you were leaning over to get a ball surely you'd be able to grab something. If you got washed down stream a bit it goes shallow in a few areas.
 
Seasideforever said:
Her friend has just been on Sky tv saying the dog didn’t have a ball !
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Owner + dog = play time.
Likely dog could have dropped the ball as it was panicking trying to find her.
Or she tried to fish it out of the river. Any scenario is possible.
Police also keeping something from the news and her parents.
 
It doesn't bode well for the investigation, when the Police have declared all their eggs are in one basket. Especially when the family quite rightly disagree with this and it is they who are appealing to the public to remain open minded.
All our thoughts are with Nicola, her loved ones and friends.
 
585 = never give up said:
It doesn't bode well for the investigation, when the Police have declared all their eggs are in one basket. Especially when the family quite rightly disagree with this and it is they who are appealing to the public to remain open minded.
All our thoughts are with Nicola, her loved ones and friends.
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Yes sounds like they are openly disagree with the police's stance
 
Seasideforever said:
Her friend has just been on Sky tv saying the dog didn’t have a ball !
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There is a friend who says she had a text from her just before she disappeared arranging a meet up. I’ve not seen the police mention this. She is also now saying that they are looking at her Fitbit to try and extract info from it, and that it hasn’t been synced since Tuesday, yet she disappeared the Friday before. Again the police don’t appear to have released this information. I don’t know what’s going on there tbh.
 

If you watch this video at 45 seconds you get shots of the bank below the bench area and can see quite a low down part to the river that the dog has gone in at and that looks pretty doable to get out of.

Obviously with the clothes she was wearing it wouldn't be easy especially with a shock of going in.

But not sure the depth at that particular point. But given its kind of sloped, at the point you'd fall in, is it all that deep.

Seems the most obvious that somehow she went in but also odd as no sign of it, nothing found, not a single item and doesn't look that treacherous.
 
How do you know that is the definate area she would have gone in. With heavy clothes and wellies on, even the fittest would sruggle to get out. Maybe she couldnt get back to that 'easy egress' and continued down river, if she did go in.
 
todayistheday said:
How do you know that is the definate area she would have gone in. With heavy clothes and wellies on, even the fittest would sruggle to get out. Maybe she couldnt get back to that 'easy egress' and continued down river, if she did go in.
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Well, for why near the bench....look at my last post and the retracing the journey timeline on the sky site, it's such a short window. She went up past the bench and was seen at 9:10. Then, they believe her phone was on the bench at 9:20, so she must have gone back that way, it's the only real way to go.

By 9:30 the conference call ended but she remained dialled in.

Its hard to see how anything else could occur without attracting attention.

But the point is her phone was on that bench and less than 10 minutes later the call ended and she stayed logged in, so she must have gone in at or around that point, or the phone wouldnt be there. Just seems to me hard to slip down a big bank which is pretty long from the bench to the edge as seen. Phone on the bench listening to the call you'd think she'd be be close by. Quite a long way from that bench to the water.

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Then at the river it doesn't look impossible to get out of or that deep. At some points is deeper but some is waist high, am yet to see it confirmed around the bench area near the rivers edge how deep it is with the water at this level, sites suggest it's low.

Obviously cold water shock and the clothes she wore could be why she didn't make it. But where is a single shred of evidence and where is the body. It's a slow moving river that seemingly hasn't had high water levels and according to that expert guy on sky news, if sonar is used it should be easy to spot.

Going in seems the most plausible, but how did it happen and why no evidence.
 
JJpool said:
Well, for why near the bench....look at my last post and the retracing the journey timeline on the sky site, it's such a short window. She went up past the bench and was seen at 9:10. Then, they believe her phone was on the bench at 9:20, so she must have gone back that way, it's the only real way to go.

By 9:30 the conference call ended but she remained dialled in.

Its hard to see how anything else could occur without attracting attention.

But the point is her phone was on that bench and less than 10 minutes later the call ended and she stayed logged in, so she must have gone in at or around that point, or the phone wouldnt be there. Just seems to me hard to slip down a big bank which is pretty long from the bench to the edge as seen. Phone on the bench listening to the call you'd think she'd be be close by. Quite a long way from that bench to the water.

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Then at the river it doesn't look impossible to get out of or that deep. At some points is deeper but some is waist high, am yet to see it confirmed around the bench area near the rivers edge how deep it is with the water at this level, sites suggest it's low.

Obviously cold water shock and the clothes she wore could be why she didn't make it. But where is a single shred of evidence and where is the body. It's a slow moving river that seemingly hasn't had high water levels and according to that expert guy on sky news, if sonar is used it should be easy to spot.

Going in seems the most plausible, but how did it happen and why no evidence.
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I’m non plussed by this too & share your obvious concern. People don’t just vanish. Really feel for their loved ones 😞
 
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