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Newholland

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Unfortunately a third wave has washed ashore on mainland Europe... we should be able to keep it at bay... but will we?
 

Lala

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Depends on vaccine impact and how we quarantine folk. We will be very mindful of keeping it at bay so it may force restrictions to constantly evolve at short notice.

Keep the faith 👍
 

Jaffa_The_Hut

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I see Macron is coming under increased pressure.
Refused a third lock down in January when all his medical experts advised him to do so.
So finally a lockdown comes in to force this week which has come far too late as France now has over half a million Covid cases and Macron is trying to turn it around by blaming everyone but himself.
And people go on about Boris. 🙄
 
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Curryman

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I see Macron is coming under increased pressure.
Refused a third lock down in January when all his medical experts advised him to do so.
So finally a lockdown comes in to force this week which has come far too late as the infection rate is now through the roof and Macron is trying to turn it around by blaming everyone but himself.
And people go on about Boris. 🙄
Macron is Europe's version of Trump IMHO.
 

Geestar

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It took 8 weeks for the EU to agree to the vaccine rollout. The arguing of which vaccines to use and bickering due to hidden agendas was a serious mistake. They opened the door to a third wave which will lose many lives and billions of lost money every single day.
Our vaccine rollout has been nothing short of breathtaking. We will benefit massively (fingers crossed) in the next few months.
Many lessons are being learnt at the moment. The EU needs reforming massively and our government have benefited from putting the vaccine rollout into specialist hands. What Kate Bingham has achieved is nothing short of stunning.
 

seasideone

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Got my 1st Vaccine in Singapore a week on Monday and the second four weeks later 👍

Only Pfizer and Moderna are approved here - happy to have either. I would also have the AZ one in a shot 😉

They are just getting on with it here, no back slapping - just delivering.

Fair play to the UK though, what they have achieved is simply staggering and what the EU have achieved is simply staggering as well but for all the wrong reasons!!!!
 

straightatthewall

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Said it many times. Our ‘independence’ has proven highly advantageous in terms of vaccine rollout. And the union - and acting like one - has been problematic for the individual states of the EU as there has to be some level of fairness to the rollout over a 27 countries with a population 7 times the size of the U.K.

But we’re also talking about a very specific issue and situation. Using it as a benchmark for the benefits and drawbacks of being a member is flawed beyond belief.
 

20togo

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Said it many times. Our ‘independence’ has proven highly advantageous in terms of vaccine rollout. And the union - and acting like one - has been problematic for the individual states of the EU as there has to be some level of fairness to the rollout over a 27 countries with a population 7 times the size of the U.K.

But we’re also talking about a very specific issue and situation. Using it as a benchmark for the benefits and drawbacks of being a member is flawed beyond belief.
It is indeed but when you have relentless negativity from so many on here with regards to the UK and the EU it's good to celebrate something we've been ahead of the game in. Pity that so many remainers are reluctant to do that though.
 

Lala

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Said it many times. Our ‘independence’ has proven highly advantageous in terms of vaccine rollout. And the union - and acting like one - has been problematic for the individual states of the EU as there has to be some level of fairness to the rollout over a 27 countries with a population 7 times the size of the U.K.

But we’re also talking about a very specific issue and situation. Using it as a benchmark for the benefits and drawbacks of being a member is flawed beyond belief.
I don’t think it can be a permanent benchmark as such.
However, it’s almost the only example we have to go off so far, and a very important one, so it’s natural that it’s being referenced as evidence.
The EU have compared disastrously in this instance and some of the reasons why they have done so badly are also quite telling. The Hokey Cokey they danced over the AZ vaccine was partly down to ego and an attempt to call out and belittle the U.K. That’s playgrounds stuff, embarrassing, and cost lives 💁‍♀️
 

Shandypants

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Another thread populated by brexiteers, whom despite "winning" are still an angry EU obsessed bunch. You're like a bunch of Victor Meldrew's.
Another classic is the take about our "independence" speeding things up. That is not correct, then again it doesn't suit the culture war does it.
None of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). [1] This legislation still applies to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. They decided not to for political and technical reasons, not legal ones.

Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them
 

BFC_BFC_BFC

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Got my 1st Vaccine in Singapore a week on Monday and the second four weeks later 👍

Only Pfizer and Moderna are approved here - happy to have either. I would also have the AZ one in a shot 😉

They are just getting on with it here, no back slapping - just delivering.

Fair play to the UK though, what they have achieved is simply staggering and what the EU have achieved is simply staggering as well but for all the wrong reasons!!!!
TBF they’ve not got much to backslap about in vaccination terms.
 

Lytham_fy8

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Another thread populated by brexiteers, whom despite "winning" are still an angry EU obsessed bunch. You're like a bunch of Victor Meldrew's.
Another classic is the take about our "independence" speeding things up. That is not correct, then again it doesn't suit the culture war does it.
None of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). [1] This legislation still applies to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. They decided not to for political and technical reasons, not legal ones.

Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them
This.

What the government got right about the vaccination campaign is they gave it to local NHS authorities to organise, people who know what they're doing, then didn't interfere.

If the test and trace debacle was useful for something it was showing that they couldn't make the same mistake and fuck up the vaccination programme by handing it over to private concerns.
 

20togo

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Another thread populated by brexiteers, whom despite "winning" are still an angry EU obsessed bunch. You're like a bunch of Victor Meldrew's.
Another classic is the take about our "independence" speeding things up. That is not correct, then again it doesn't suit the culture war does it.
None of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). [1] This legislation still applies to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. They decided not to for political and technical reasons, not legal ones.

Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them
....as I was saying. Another bitter angry post from one of the chief protagonist remainers. It's you remainers that are the angry ones and can't move on.

Your last para simply being all about "if". And no doubt those so called lesser EU nations would have been put under pressure to kowtow to the bullies of Germany and France. Seems Macron isn't very popular right now eh!
 

seasideone

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Well they’re way behind the curve compared to the more advanced nations like the U.K.
Yeh - everyone over 45 now been called in, so not too shabby.

They did lots of professions first such as health, carers, teachers, police, delivery drivers, bus drivers, taxi drivers, airline / airport and port staff.

Still - just the one new community case today and only 30 deaths from Covid in a year.
 

tangerinenotorange

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Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them

The EC demanded unity between member states when it hijacked the vaccine procurement programme. If you can't get past that simple fact then there's no point in discussing the subject further.
 

catinstalbans

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Funny how you can have a whole thread attacking the EU and Macron in particular and none of the posters gets any personal abuse whatsoever. For what it is worth, Macron is following some deeply unpleasant policies, which threaten the French democracy in very similar ways to the Conservatives with attacks on the right to protest and islamophobic practices which I would have thought the right wingers would have been all in favour of. But of course, he is not English, so fits the need for a hate figure to get all red faced and angry about.
Boris Johnson has more blood on his complacent, corrupt and lazy hands than Macron but no doubt I will get personally attacked again for saying so.
 

straightatthewall

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Another thread populated by brexiteers, whom despite "winning" are still an angry EU obsessed bunch. You're like a bunch of Victor Meldrew's.
Another classic is the take about our "independence" speeding things up. That is not correct, then again it doesn't suit the culture war does it.
None of these successes can be chalked up to Brexit. As the chief executive of the MHRA swiftly pointed out, Mr Hancock was wrong to say that the UK could approve the vaccine early because it was no longer subject to EU rules. The MHRA’s decision was taken in accordance with the relevant EU legislation, which allows member states to grant temporary authorisation for a medicinal product in response to the spread of infectious diseases (among others). [1] This legislation still applies to the UK until the end of the transition period. Any EU member state could have used the same provision of the legislation to approve the vaccine. They decided not to for political and technical reasons, not legal ones.

Similarly, the member states were in no way obliged to take part in the EU’s joint vaccine procurement scheme. The EU has very limited competences for public health under its founding treaties: it can take action only to “support, coordinate or supplement the actions of the Member States”. The EU member states in this case voluntarily decided to opt into the joint procurement scheme. If one or more of them had decided to follow the UK’s path and procure its own vaccines, no one would have stopped them
Shandy,

re your last sentence, nobody would have had the legal recourse to stop a state going it alone, but I can imagine the fallout if we were still in and the French or Germans decided they were going it alone and we’d stuck to the unwritten rules.
 

BFC_BFC_BFC

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Yeh - everyone over 45 now been called in, so not too shabby.

They did lots of professions first such as health, carers, teachers, police, delivery drivers, bus drivers, taxi drivers, airline / airport and port staff.

Still - just the one new community case today and only 30 deaths from Covid in a year.
Yes, but they have vaccinated less than 16% of the population, which is probably less than the EU, which the WHO had described as ‘Slow Progress’.... So it’s hardly a reason for backslapping.

Obviously unlike the EU Singapore got very lucky with Covid not really affecting their region particularly. So I suppose they aren’t under the same pressure as others.
 

Davepick

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MrsDP just spoke to our friends in France.
They started a 4 week 'Lockdown' from midnight last night.
They're OK, have 23 acre land area and nearest village about 2 miles.
Love going there, hope we can this year.
 

seasideone

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Yes, but they have vaccinated less than 16% of the population, which is probably less than the EU, which the WHO had described as ‘Slow Progress’.... So it’s hardly a reason for backslapping.

Obviously unlike the EU Singapore got very lucky with Covid not really affecting their region particularly. So I suppose they aren’t under the same pressure as others.
They just responded quicker when it appeared and locked the borders, then lockdown for 2.5 months so it burnt itself out.

Had a great track and trace system and a working app as well.

They also enforced quarantine notices and mask wearing.

Bars and restaurants open since July last year 👍

Not much different to the UK really 😉
 

BFC_BFC_BFC

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They just responded quicker when it appeared and locked the borders, then lockdown for 2.5 months so it burnt itself out.

Had a great track and trace system and a working app as well.

They also enforced quarantine notices and mask wearing.

Bars and restaurants open since July last year 👍

Not much different to the UK really 😉
I’m not sure there’s much to suggest that their response had much to do with it really... Good Fortune more likely.

Either way, their vaccine process is certainly slow , when compared to the U.K. So on that basis, as I said, they’ve nowt to be backslapping about..
 

seasideone

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I’m not sure there’s much to suggest that their response had much to do with it really... Good Fortune more likely.

Either way, their vaccine process is certainly slow , when compared to the U.K. So on that basis, as I said, they’ve nowt to be backslapping about..
Not luck, they planned for a pandemic and executed that plan.

Regarding vaccination, although it needs to be done, as so few cases knocking around it isn’t the priority the UK and the EU have.

If all goes to plan everyone will be vaccinated by some time in Q3.

Anyway must dash - have a restaurant booked in 10 mins time 👍
 

Shandypants

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It is indeed but when you have relentless negativity from so many on here with regards to the UK and the EU it's good to celebrate something we've been ahead of the game in. Pity that so many remainers are reluctant to do that though.
Maybe remainers look at data rather than emotional issues. In that respect the vaccine is an unknown quantity in terms of its effectiveness. I agree the task of getting the needles in arms has worked fantastically, the 12 week delay for the 2nd is a risk, maybe the whole process will work, we don't know yet. It's a rather strange claim to raise this matter as a justification for brexit.
 

20togo

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Funny how you can have a whole thread attacking the EU and Macron in particular and none of the posters gets any personal abuse whatsoever. For what it is worth, Macron is following some deeply unpleasant policies, which threaten the French democracy in very similar ways to the Conservatives with attacks on the right to protest and islamophobic practices which I would have thought the right wingers would have been all in favour of. But of course, he is not English, so fits the need for a hate figure to get all red faced and angry about.
Boris Johnson has more blood on his complacent, corrupt and lazy hands than Macron but no doubt I will get personally attacked again for saying so.
more absolute nonsense and of course being the one trick pony you are you deflect it back to our PM. I find it incredible that you launch attack after attack, non-stop personal abuse of the PM with your hatred shining through. Yet you think it's fine to do that and get no criticism back. Abuse isn't just confined to aiming at people on here and your abuse of our gov't and our PM goes way beyond factual criticism.
 

RUSTY_2_STANDS

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Maybe remainers look at data rather than emotional issues. In that respect the vaccine is an unknown quantity in terms of its effectiveness. I agree the task of getting the needles in arms has worked fantastically, the 12 week delay for the 2nd is a risk, maybe the whole process will work, we don't know yet. It's a rather strange claim to raise this matter as a justification for brexit.
Shandy, you're floundering and sounding increasingly desperate in defence of your beloved EU.
 

20togo

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Maybe remainers look at data rather than emotional issues. In that respect the vaccine is an unknown quantity in terms of its effectiveness. I agree the task of getting the needles in arms has worked fantastically, the 12 week delay for the 2nd is a risk, maybe the whole process will work, we don't know yet. It's a rather strange claim to raise this matter as a justification for brexit.
think you need to read my first three words again in reply to straiters post.
 

catinstalbans

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As I said yesterday, give one example where my criticism of the government cannot be backed up with evidence?
You won't though because personal attacks and bullying is all you have.
 

RUSTY_2_STANDS

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Funny how you can have a whole thread attacking the EU and Macron in particular and none of the posters gets any personal abuse whatsoever. For what it is worth, Macron is following some deeply unpleasant policies, which threaten the French democracy in very similar ways to the Conservatives with attacks on the right to protest and islamophobic practices which I would have thought the right wingers would have been all in favour of. But of course, he is not English, so fits the need for a hate figure to get all red faced and angry about.
Boris Johnson has more blood on his complacent, corrupt and lazy hands than Macron but no doubt I will get personally attacked again for saying so.
There's no point attacking you. You mange to make yourself look a total idiot with your posts. It doesn't need somebody else to show that
 

20togo

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As I said yesterday, give one example where my criticism of the government cannot be backed up with evidence?
You won't though because personal attacks and bullying is all you have.
but you are a one trick pony, you talk of nothing else. You hate the Tories and the PM, you make that pretty clear so why is me pointing that out to you wrong when it's a fact.
 

Recidivist3

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but you are a one trick pony, you talk of nothing else. You hate the Tories and the PM, you make that pretty clear so why is me pointing that out to you wrong when it's a fact.

I’ve just read all your posts on this thread. As far as I can see, BasRob never wrote any of this in 2014

Have you gone rogue?
 

Ruperthoop

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I am no fan of Boris and the tory party but what is being achieved by all those including the government who all had the foresight to plan and deal with this serious threat to mankind has been nothing but staggering. They along with the Israelis have shown the world with their vaccination programmes how and what should be done, and all UK citizens should be very thankful.
 

catinstalbans

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I am no fan of Boris and the tory party but what is being achieved by all those including the government who all had the foresight to plan and deal with this serious threat to mankind has been nothing but staggering. They along with the Israelis have shown the world with their vaccination programmes how and what should be done, and all UK citizens should be very thankful.
Too late with the lockdown last year. Thousands died because they ignored the scientific advice.
Billions to a privatised Track and Trace which is still failing even now, 9 months on. Millions too to other Tory donors and friends in corrupt contract processes.
Ignoring the science again in the autumn, allowing the second wave to again kill thousands.
The insult of a 1% rise (effectively a pay cut) to those NHS workers who have gone above and beyond during the pandemic.
Incompetence on a massive scale over schools in the last 12 months.
But they have managed to get one thing right. Whoopy doo!
 

Shandypants

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Shandy, you're floundering and sounding increasingly desperate in defence of your beloved EU.
Mmmm the desperation of brexiteers claiming the vaccination programme is a result of leaving the EU is a classic. Such foresight when you cast your vote in 2016. 😂
Meanwhile riots in Northern Island last night and ongoing trade issues. Thank god for covid the ultimate dead cat.
 

RUSTY_2_STANDS

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No desperation or any gloating either here for that matter. I've explained on here numerous times why I voted leave. And one of the reasons was how huge and unwieldy an organisation the EU is. And how that causes problems in agreeing policy and strategy, particularly when time is of the essence.
Taking 7 years to agree a trade deal with Canada was an example.
And this vaccination rollout has been another classic example of the disorganised, unwieldy EU in all it's glory.
 

Jaffa_The_Hut

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I see the Corbyn brothers were supporting the marches in London yesterday (Piers Corbyn in person) and both failed to condem the protesters after several Police officers were assaulted/injured.
 

seasideone

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Ouch 😢😢 that was a low blow!
Very nice was the food and wine too 👍

What BFCx3 does not get, and never gets, is that they planned for it here and executed that plan.

The UK government game, and plan for all sorts of scenarios - so,l they either screwed up the gaming or were terrible at execution.

The one thing they have done brilliantly well is the vaccination roll out and don’t forget the distribution was organised by the army - but Boris must take credit for that as he must take the blame for the failures.

JVT deserves a knighthood 👍 and Kate Bingham deserves the equivalent.
 
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